I was out in section 28 today and was informed by an armed member of the GSSN that reciprocal Rights are no longer extended to Mohave Prospectors. It is ridiculous to start a pissing contest between prospecting clubs when the border is porous, the environmentalist are trying to stop all forms of prospecting, and etc. There are many GSSN members on this forum and I think that you can point out to your membership that reciprocal means what goes around comes around. I was told that the reason behind the action is that there is an Ariz. mine lab dealer who is sending clients, who belong to no prospecting club, out to section 28. If word gets around maybe calmer heads will prevail. I hope my message is taken as a comment and not as any disrespect for anyone.
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Gold Searchers Southern Nevada
- Thread starter zbrik
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Claims do not extend to meteorites because they are not classified as a mineral. And technically, their claim gives them rights to only the minerals, they can't keep you from looking for meteorites, nor camping, nor crossing the land.
The law is the law however, and I would not remove any nuggets that you find.
DOC
The law is the law however, and I would not remove any nuggets that you find.
DOC
There is a little more to this situation than what has been reported. What was said is partially true. GSSN has recinded the reciprocal agreement with Mohave Prospectors. This action was taken because of frequent violations of the existing agreement by Mohave Prospector members.
Recently, we have found other prospecting clubs camped on our claims, apparently, after being told by Mohave Prospecting club members that this was OK. Also, Mohave Prospectors apparently had other claims that they failed to advise GSSN about. That does not sound like a viable reciprocal agreement does it? We have also found other non-club members prospecting on our claims who used various excuses as to why they were there (including the one about being told by a minelab dealer (it wasn't Doc) that it was OK to use the Section 28 claims). The GSSN claims (especially on Section 28 are very well marked. If one can see well enough to be prospecting, you can see the claim markers and signs on the road so there should be no question as to where you are.
In any event, if someone wants to use the GSSN claims, join the club. It is cheap, and the club members are good folks.
By the way Doc, I found the last meteorite on Section 28 a couple months ago, and I can't say we really appreciate the comment about prospecting for meteorites as an excuse. While it may technically be legal to hunt meteorites on the claim, if someone uses that excuse with me, I will still ask them to leave.
I don't mean to sound like an a$$, but we had every right to terminate the reciprocal agreement with the Mohave Prospectors. Our members pay dues for the right to prospect on the club's claims, and we have every right to keep non-club members from using the claims and taking our gold. Like I said, if someone wants to use our claims, they can join our club.
Recently, we have found other prospecting clubs camped on our claims, apparently, after being told by Mohave Prospecting club members that this was OK. Also, Mohave Prospectors apparently had other claims that they failed to advise GSSN about. That does not sound like a viable reciprocal agreement does it? We have also found other non-club members prospecting on our claims who used various excuses as to why they were there (including the one about being told by a minelab dealer (it wasn't Doc) that it was OK to use the Section 28 claims). The GSSN claims (especially on Section 28 are very well marked. If one can see well enough to be prospecting, you can see the claim markers and signs on the road so there should be no question as to where you are.
In any event, if someone wants to use the GSSN claims, join the club. It is cheap, and the club members are good folks.
By the way Doc, I found the last meteorite on Section 28 a couple months ago, and I can't say we really appreciate the comment about prospecting for meteorites as an excuse. While it may technically be legal to hunt meteorites on the claim, if someone uses that excuse with me, I will still ask them to leave.
I don't mean to sound like an a$$, but we had every right to terminate the reciprocal agreement with the Mohave Prospectors. Our members pay dues for the right to prospect on the club's claims, and we have every right to keep non-club members from using the claims and taking our gold. Like I said, if someone wants to use our claims, they can join our club.
Hello Gary...I don't know about the main issues you're talking about, nor do I care.
One point you made is that you've "found other clubs camping on" your claims. I'm sure you know this, but it is their perfectly legal right to camp on those claims. Clubs only own mineral rights to claims, not surface rights, nor the right to control the coming, going and camping by the public.
Just a reminder...
Cheers, Ron
One point you made is that you've "found other clubs camping on" your claims. I'm sure you know this, but it is their perfectly legal right to camp on those claims. Clubs only own mineral rights to claims, not surface rights, nor the right to control the coming, going and camping by the public.
Just a reminder...
Cheers, Ron
Yeah I sort of did a knee jerk reaction on that one. The hair on my neck always stands on end when I hear a report of someone with GUNS approached and told someone to get off of their claims.
This issue of wearing a weapon and then making demands on someone could get someone arrested. The law only states that a person needs to be in reasonable fear of being assaulted for it to be an assault.
I've had this converstaion before with people, and I think the reasonable thing to do, as well as the smart thing to do, is to ask someone if they are a member. If they are not, you explain they are on the club's claims, give them a piece of paper showing a map where the clubs claims are at, and give them a day pass to hunt the claims along with information on how to become a member of the club and where to send the dues.
In years past I supported the GSSN club with hundreds of dollars, and I do mean hundreds, worth of merchandise to be used for auctions. Everything from picks to gold scales. I never got so much as a thank you.
I need to renew my membership, please advise me, as well as the rest of the forum posters where to send our dues and how much they are.
Thanks! And I apologize for the meteorite comment!
DOC
This issue of wearing a weapon and then making demands on someone could get someone arrested. The law only states that a person needs to be in reasonable fear of being assaulted for it to be an assault.
I've had this converstaion before with people, and I think the reasonable thing to do, as well as the smart thing to do, is to ask someone if they are a member. If they are not, you explain they are on the club's claims, give them a piece of paper showing a map where the clubs claims are at, and give them a day pass to hunt the claims along with information on how to become a member of the club and where to send the dues.
In years past I supported the GSSN club with hundreds of dollars, and I do mean hundreds, worth of merchandise to be used for auctions. Everything from picks to gold scales. I never got so much as a thank you.
I need to renew my membership, please advise me, as well as the rest of the forum posters where to send our dues and how much they are.
Thanks! And I apologize for the meteorite comment!
DOC
Doc, I kind of figured the comment was in jest. However, with all of the things that had been happening at our claims the past few months, I had to jump in and make some comments. The decision to terminate the agreement with the Mohave Prospectors was not one made on the spur of the moment, and it was agreed to by all of the membership at our last monthly meeting. I am not one of the club officers by the way, but I am a member who frequently uses the club claims and I have had some recent encounters with non-club members on our claims.
Anyway, I can't say I disagree with the rest of your comments. I don't know who the individual ran into that was packing, but with all the snakes out now, I can understand why. Our members were briefed at our last meeting to approach others on the claims pretty much in the manner in which you stated. They probably won't have an application form along though.
Anyone can get a copy of the application from our web site: www.goldsearchers.us. I just checked the site though, and it does not seem to be working correctly this morning. I'll have the webmaster check it out. If the web site is not working, call 702-393-4653 and someone will get you a copy of the application. Membership is $45 for new members, with a $30 per year renewal. GSSN holds monthly meetings at the American Legion building at 425 Van Waggonen Ave in Henderson the first Wednesday of each month starting at 6:30 pm. Prospective members and guests are always welcome. Last meeting our guest speaker was Dave McCracken from the New 49rs organization, so we do have an occasional interesting meeting.
Anyway, I can't say I disagree with the rest of your comments. I don't know who the individual ran into that was packing, but with all the snakes out now, I can understand why. Our members were briefed at our last meeting to approach others on the claims pretty much in the manner in which you stated. They probably won't have an application form along though.
Anyone can get a copy of the application from our web site: www.goldsearchers.us. I just checked the site though, and it does not seem to be working correctly this morning. I'll have the webmaster check it out. If the web site is not working, call 702-393-4653 and someone will get you a copy of the application. Membership is $45 for new members, with a $30 per year renewal. GSSN holds monthly meetings at the American Legion building at 425 Van Waggonen Ave in Henderson the first Wednesday of each month starting at 6:30 pm. Prospective members and guests are always welcome. Last meeting our guest speaker was Dave McCracken from the New 49rs organization, so we do have an occasional interesting meeting.
You say anyone can camp on these claims.
What is the public liability insurance situation like over there?
What if someone falls and breaks a leg while on one of these claims? Who is the responsible party in this case?
In Aus., or at least my little part of it we have to be careful.
If anyone comes on my leases there is a duty of care which I am bound to provide.
If they have a prospecting permit the public liability rests with the State Govt. as the visitor is deemed to be involved in mining.
I would be interested to se what similarities there are here.
What is the public liability insurance situation like over there?
What if someone falls and breaks a leg while on one of these claims? Who is the responsible party in this case?
In Aus., or at least my little part of it we have to be careful.
If anyone comes on my leases there is a duty of care which I am bound to provide.
If they have a prospecting permit the public liability rests with the State Govt. as the visitor is deemed to be involved in mining.
I would be interested to se what similarities there are here.
It's weird. If it's state or local government you can sue them, Like a cop in a brutality case. But in that instance you have a criminal act as well as a civil tort.
However, when it comes to the Federal Government, and it is simply a civil matter, someone fell down on federal land and broke their leg. They cannot sue unless the court gives them permission to do so. At least that is my limited understanding of the situation.
DOC
However, when it comes to the Federal Government, and it is simply a civil matter, someone fell down on federal land and broke their leg. They cannot sue unless the court gives them permission to do so. At least that is my limited understanding of the situation.
DOC
dave wiseman
New member
Hello Bris Dave,not only can't you sue the government,but they will not back you up in any claim disputes,no matter what the evidence in your favor.Someone can file over your totally legal claim and tie you up in the courts for years if they have the financial means and attitudeto do so.However any of your acts of frontier justice will get swift reactions from the authorities.On the otherhand,99% of claim holders think the ground is owned by themselves with no rights for other people.Having a firearm flashed at oneself is a common thing,though many claim holders do no assesment work or pay their annual fees and their claims are legally open to anyone.This is not to mention all of the claimable ground bordered or surroundind by private gound and in most cases these land owners think this gov't ground is somehow their prvate domain,especially in California.Many real estate ads proclaim the property backs up to BLM ground.So it all canbe very confusing and frustrating,who's right,wrong or indifferent.....Dave Wiseman
FlakMagnet
New member
Gary,
An interesting, if perhaps not complete, answer as far as it goes,
but I would have thought you would have taken the opportunity
to thank DOC for his generosity too.
I am sure thankyou is small reward for his contributions,
but it counts just the same...
regards,
An interesting, if perhaps not complete, answer as far as it goes,
but I would have thought you would have taken the opportunity
to thank DOC for his generosity too.
I am sure thankyou is small reward for his contributions,
but it counts just the same...
regards,
It is true that you cannot sue the gov't but if you camp in a US forestry camp ground that is sublet for rental of campsites, cleanliness, etc to a private vendor for running the ground and not just a campground host---then the vendor is required to carry liability insurance as part of their agreement to run the campground. I didn't know it either until a paid mgr for a vendor advised us of it. They don't want you to know so they don't have to deal with their insurance. Jerry
Thanks for taking my original comment with some sincerity. I used to be a member of GSSN and will rejoin. The best approach to the problem is to encourage membership in both and all clubs. I've been mining Sec 28 since before the GSSN acquired it. There is not enough left to fight over. I've been a member of Mohave Prospectors for a number of years. The cost of membership is small compared to the benefits received from all the clubs I've belonged to. I'm not active in meetings and outings etc. but I enjoy it. Maybe send the Mohave Prospectors some application forms and request some from them. See you around, Hal
I'll spend my money on the east Oregon miners membership and make a donation to the new 49ers legal defence fund. The environmentalist will be in sec 28 soon enough and the GSSN will be so busy defending themselves from other recreational prospectors they'll never see it coming. See you around. Hal
oregonneil
New member
Hi Hal,
I spend my summers in Oregon and am looking for a club in Oregon to join. Would the east Oregon miners be a good club to join? Where can I get information about them?
Thanks and have a good day.
Neil
I spend my summers in Oregon and am looking for a club in Oregon to join. Would the east Oregon miners be a good club to join? Where can I get information about them?
Thanks and have a good day.
Neil