Gold Rings

[synthnut]

I was doing some reading in one of Andy Sabisch's books recently , and thought I would share this info with you ......He took 161 Gold rings from his collection and sampled them on his machine , and this was the results that he came up with .....


0 rings hit as Iron
25 rings, 16% hit as Ring Tab
61 rings, 38% as Foil
48 rings, 30% as square tab
15 rings, 9% as Nickel
8 rings, 5 % as Zn penny
4 rings, 2 % as High tone quarter/penny

 

[Ron from Michigan]

Interesting.Thanks for the information.

 

[Mentez]

Totally believable. I've been saying it for years - "The more technology, the less you dig and the more you miss". Anyone running any discrimination or notch on this machine WILL miss good targets.

 

[biglry]

Totally believable. I've been saying it for years - "The more technology, the less you dig and the more you miss". Anyone running any discrimination or notch on this machine WILL miss good targets.

I agree 100%

 

[Critterhunter]

Linking to Splitting Hairs On Rings thread...

 

[element]

38% in the foil range... thats funny that one.. as everytime I get a low tone I know its gonna be a small strip of alu can, piece of foil or a 5p piece and it always is.. I always dig it just to be sure but it always confirms what I though it was gonna be.. all the gold ive found (and thats not many) have been in the cupro nickle range.. I dont discrim and I dig all!

 

[OldBeechnut]

Thanks for sharing, Since I hunt with the Excalibur, I like the percentages you have posted on digging the tones from almost low to mid, and the low ring count on the hi tones. I just started, pettry much not digging the Hi tones in mid summer hoping it would help on a bleak year of gold, So I'm hoping that by not digging the hi's I was able to cover more area and my gold count of 9 with the excal would have been worse without doing this and the numbers you have posted kind of gives me faith that's the way I will start next season in June. Thanks Joe

 

[synthnut]

OldBeechnut,
I thought that this chart was very interesting as when talking to a lot of buddies that I hunt with , and knowing what my finds have been , that this chart was a pretty good indication of what we've all been digging ..... mostly foil range and a little higher, and that's pretty much what this particular chart indicates ..... I'm not saying that this chart is the end all be all ...It's one mans collection of 161 rings and what ranges they came in at ...... Plain and simple ....... Jim

element .....
I wonder what the average ratio is for FOIL TO RING !!!..... .....I'll bet I could glue enough foil together to make a ROLL before i found a ring !!!..... You're not alone !!.......Jim

 

[erikk]

This chart is significant for land where U R using numbers along with tone. With the excal in the water it is not very important. I subscribe to the KISS theory- Zero discrimination, hunt in DISC, Volume max, Sens 2-3 O'clock, dig all signals except the obvious bottle top & a WOT helps a great deal. 26 gold rings, 1 plat & counting

 

[OldBeechnut]

26 gold rings, 1 plat & counting

Nice gold count Erikk

Boy, I gotta retire soon..Getting out 30 times a year just don't make it.............

 

[synthnut]

erikk ,
That WOT sounds like it has been serving you well ....Did you get a 10 x 12 SEF yet to try out ? ......Jim

 

[erikk]

Would never drop from 15 to 12 Might go bigger if/when one of the WOT's fails or warranty on the excal 2 runs out. Depth & coverage is name of the game for the water

 

[erikk]

26 gold rings, 1 plat & counting

Nice gold count Erikk

Boy, I gotta retire soon..Getting out 30 times a year just don't make it.............

Me 2 but I spend my time hunting

 

[EZrider]

Synth knows all about them pull tab numbers. Just look at the Plat ring in my avatar he passed up. Jimbo i think Fisher did even more rings with the same results. I remember reading it somewhere. Breaking out the boss ladies jewelry box confirms the numbers.

 

[synthnut]

EZ ,
You LOVE to rub it in don't you !!!........Actually , your boss lady told me that she wanted something nice to replace the last ring she put through your nose ..... I thought Platinum would be nice this time around ....She agreed !!..... .....Jim

 

[Mentez]

 

[Critterhunter]

He took 161 Gold rings from his collection and sampled them on his machine , and this was the results that he came up with .....

From the sound of it then that sample is biased, unless he dug every signal above iron. Most people key in on the nickle zone or tab zone and as a result you would of course have higher numbers in a "test pool" by the numbers. In the splitting hairs on rings thread the test pool of 123 (forget exact number) rings we sampled were all found using an Excal water hunting digging everything above iron over about a 6 year span. The range of rings pretty much is evenly spread from about 75 (small foil) to about 173 (zinc penny). Not really any greater concentration of rings in any one area between those two numbers. There are rings that read from 173 to 180 but they tend to be big lunkers which are much more rare, thus the percentages thin out in that range.

 

[EZrider]

He took 161 Gold rings from his collection <~~~ "Not dug" and sampled <~~~~ "air tested" them on his machine , and this was the results that he came up with ..... I think the machine Andy used was a CZ6a. It just shows the % of where most jewlery falls. I can't beleave this had to be explained.

 

[Critterhunter]

Either can I, as we are drawing to completely different distinctions. See Splitting Hairs On Rings thread for another example...

 

[Critterhunter]

He took 161 Gold rings from his collection <~~~ "Not dug" and sampled <~~~~ "air tested" them on his machine , and this was the results that he came up with ..... I think the machine Andy used was a CZ6a. It just shows the % of where most jewlery falls. I can't beleave this had to be explained.

No, it does not "just show the % of where most jewelry falls" without knowing if the test pool was unbiased by digging everything above iron. If they weren't, then it just shows the % of where those rings fall with his hunting technique (digging certain zones, targeting certain sounds, hunting specific places, etc). I'm not saying his test pool is biased, and I'm not even saying that the percentages wouldn't still prove useful even if it was biased, but I am saying that you need to know the bases for that test pool in order to proceed in any kind of productive manner in terms of using those numbers. Even if the test pool was biased it would still prove insightful if I knew what criteria he used for deciding what was "dig worthy". Without that information it's little more than a curiosity or at least insight into his hunting style and how productive it's been for him (what zones he's more apt to dig gold rings in based on his criteria for digging).

I'm not knocking his results. I only am asking for background information on how he obtained it. There is a difference.