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Gold Bug Pro questions

Hobbyist

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Firstly, let me extend a BIG THANK YOU to all the contributors of this forum. Your postings were instrumental in helping me make an informed buying decision. I am now the very happy owner of a Fisher Gold Bug Pro!

I have a few questions for you experienced users:

This machine has dual processors. I'm curious as to what kind of processors they are, and what speeds are they running at. Does anyone know?

Does anyone have a list of target ID numbers for naturally-occurring metals?
I came across a 10" wide patch where the machine (in all metals mode) reported target IDs which wavered between 92 and 96, but I thought it unwise to dig it then because a small crowd of curious onlookers was tailing my every move. Gonna have to wait till the place is deserted before digging that target up. Not knowing what's down there is like an itch I can't scratch!
 
Hey Hobbyist --

Glad you are the happy owner of a new Gold Bug Pro!

As for a "list of target ID numbers of naturally-occurring metals," such a thing really doesn't exist. Unfortunately, metal detectors do not actually "sample" the TYPE of metal you are dealing with. While I don't know in depth how the "ID" processes work on the machine, I do know that the size of the target matters, and the "conductivity" of the metal matters. Basically, different types, different sizes, and different orientations of various metal targets affect the electromagnetic signal which is transmitted from the detector in different ways. And it is these "effects" on the transmitted signal (when that signal is re-acquired by the receive coil), that the machine "reads" and processes -- and tries to identify. But, like I mentioned, different sizes and different types of metals result in different IDs. For instance, a very small piece of shredded aluminum can will often read in the 40s on your Gold Bug Pro (similar, by the way, to where a very small piece of gold jewelry may sometimes read). However, a round aluminum screw cap, smashed flat, will often read in the low 80s -- like a penny or dime. Both targets are aluminum, but the round "coin-sized" aluminum cap reads more "coin like" than a small, jagged piece of shredded aluminum. Likewise, a small, 90% silver dime might read 84, whereas a larger 90% silver half dollar might read 90. My point is, the shape, the size, and the type of metal matters to the machine in terms of ID; the orientation of the metal also matters (a coin "on edge" will read differently than a coin lying flat), and finally, multiple targets in close proximity will also affect the ID (i.e., a large nail on top of a small coin will alter the ID of the "target," since the "target" in this case is actually two pieces of dissimilar metals). This is why folks will tell you that you should not rely completely on the digital ID ability of the machine alone, when making a "dig vs. no dig" decision. The Gold Bug Pro, in my opinion, does a very good job with its ID ability, but no machine is perfect, or even close to perfect. One approach to hunting is, certainly, to dig only the repeatable, solid IDing targets, but doing so, you must understand that a.) you will miss many good targets that way, and b.) you will STILL dig some junk (like the smashed aluminum screw cap I mentioned, for instance, which reads alot like a coin).

One more thing...you metioned a "10 inch wide patch" that gave a high VDI number. I have good news and bad news...the bad news is, that is likely a large piece of either rusty iron, or a flattened aluminum can, something like that. The good news is, though, that you were able to discern that it is a large, non-coin-sized target. This is information that you can use to your advantage. The ability to "size" and "shape" a target is an important skill to learn as a detectorist, and it can help you, as it is an additional piece of information you can use in terms of trying to decide what is lying under your coil. You can use that "sizing" ability to your advantage. It is POSSIBLE that what you have found is a "coin spill," i.e. multiple coins in close proximity making the "target" appear to be a single large one, instead of multiple closely-located smaller ones, but -- a reading that high (low to mid 90s) is probably too high to be coins -- unless you have found a spill of silver dollars!

Anyway, bottom line, is you probably need to spend some time digging ALL targets, to get used to what the machine is telling you. And I don't mean just "telling you" with respect to the digital ID (VDI) number; I am also referring to other ways the machine "speaks" to you, such as the likely size, the depth, etc. of the target. You will learn all that by digging EVERYTHING, and then relating it to what the machine was "saying". With time, you can begin to "guess" what is under your coil, based on your experience. Then, later on, you'll get pretty good at it -- though, I promise you, the "surprises" will never end!

Good luck, and I hope I made the point that no hobby-type detector is actually able to "read" the "type" of metal under the coil. Gold, in particular, reads just like many common types of trash (pull tabs, small aluminum pieces, nickels, etc. etc.) Dig everything, or most everything, for awhile, until you learn the machine. It's a great machine, but deciphering what it may be trying to tell you will take some time (and expect to dig up a BUNCH of junk for awhile), but don't get discouraged. The better finds will begin to become more numerous with time.

By the way, I don't know about the speed of the processors, but this machine, as compared to many others, is FAST! The fast processors, and really good coil, allow you to see -- individually -- many closely-adjacent targets, whereas slower machines with different coils would often only see one large target. You got a very good machine, but take time to learn what it is telling you, and you'll start finding good stuff soon!

Take care,

Steve

P.S. -- I made a "guess" that you are a new detectorist; if not, then you probably already know much of what I said to you in this post, so please take no offense if I spoke "down" to you. My assumption that you are new to the hobby may have been totally incorrect! Just trying to help!
 
Hobbyist said:
This machine has dual processors. I'm curious as to what kind of processors they are, and what speeds are they running at. Does anyone know?

Both the processors have the following speed >>> CPU Speed (MIPS) 5 (MIPS = Million Instructions Per Second)

One controls the LCD and the other one does all the donkey work with detected objects.
 
Hi Steve. Thank you for your most detailed and informative answers! You took great pains to explain things clearly, and for that I am most grateful.:please: I've printed out your post and stapled it to a photocopy of the manual which accompanies me out to the field. It will be a very handy reference. I may be just a hobbyist, but I take the effort to learn each machine as best I can. And that means taking to heart your great info!

And no you did not speak "down" to me at all. I'm not new to detecting, but the majority of the machines I've used/currently am using (White's TM800, Discovery TF900, Fisher Gemini 3, Nokta Golden King, Deeptech) did not have a numerical target ID feature, are more geared towards cache-hunting, so you could kinda say that I AM new to this. No worries, I know there's no such thing as a perfect machine and have dug up plenty of junk thru the years and never once gotten discouraged. But I'm not the only reader of your reply, Steve. I'm sure others (new or experienced to this great field of endeavor) will also benefit from your generous sharing of information and experiences! I intend to mainly use the Gold Bug Pro to sniff out naturally-occurring metals in fresh water streams, hydrothermal and volcanic vents (both on land and exposed during low tides). BTW, this machine really can work in salty environs. I love it!

Hi BH_Landstar. 5 MIPS per processor...hot dog! No wonder this little package is so zippy and the recovery speeds are totally fantastic. Thanks for the info!
 
There is a list of the most probable targets you will come across in the manual or there is one in the G-2 manual I figure the manuals are basically the same. If you don't have a manual Go to Fisher's website and you can download you one. The TIDs are very accurate in the manual. Most people don't dig by the TID numbers but only use them for a reference after getting a good tone. HH :teknetics::minelab:
 
Hi Hershey1, yes I do have the Gold Bug Pro's manual. It lists items ranging from foil, aluminum to various coins. I downloaded the G2's manual and it's very similar. Makes me wonder why First Texas would have 2 brands of similar detectors. Maybe it's similar to Proctor & Gamble's strategy of having different brands of similar soaps? What I was looking for was TIDs of various metals (including copper and silver ores). I'll have to yank out my collection and compile such a list.

There's actually another facet to having a more complete TID. I live in a place where live WW2 ordnance still pops up from time to time. Old grenades, mortars and the occasional 500lb bomb have been uncovered and are duly detonated by the bomb squad. No doubt, a TID is not 100% accurate but knowing the rough numbers for brass, bronze and steel casings would be handy. I'll have to compile those as well.
 
It sounds like you may want to eliminate cache targets from your menu!

Your target sounds like one I dug when I first started out by exploring my back yard. I found a 17 lb. iron plate about 10 by 7 by .5 inches 7 or 8 inches down and 2 feet from my daughter
 
That is precisely why the 10" wide target with ID92-96 got me excited (the ID went higher to 96 in the direction towards the water). It could be an old grenade posing as a larger target due to the halo effect, then I can call in the bomb squad. Unfortunately the Nokta can't work properly in salty environs...too unstable and lots of chatter even with sens turned way down. If it could work there, at least I could get a rough idea of the target's shape, kind of metal and have a more precise depth estimate.

Stuff like this is also a big reason why metal detecting isn't too popular over here (and also explains why some people consider me to be loony for pursuing this hobby). Small items like gun ammo, grenades and mortars usually aren't important to make the news. Last year a 500lb bomb was detonated after a 2km radius was cleared of people, and still houses outside that radius got damaged by flying debris. Goes to show just how much power those things have, even after so many decades. Here's a news item on a bomb discovered this month a year ago: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/4/17/nation/20100417115630&sec=nation
 
I have a friend who was in ordnance in Guam and he used to sit on the bombs and smoke putting his cigarettes out on the bomb when he was done. It freaked people our to see it, but it never set one off obviously. On the other side some explosives become more volatile and unstable with age and are nothing to mess with. Please be careful!

I don't believe a 'halo' effect will work as you described. The closest thing to a halo I've seen is a single phantom tone after a target has been removed and you retest the hole. I almost always get that same signal I dug, but just once and never again.
I know deterioration can leave particles around an object and remain in the hole. I often disc out iron so maybe I am blinding myself to halos, but I just haven't seen them. Not so good for a pastor, huh? ;)
 
Hey hobbyist --

Reading your subsequent posts, it's clear that you know alot more about detecting than I assumed...I appreciate you not taking offense, because I obviously told you alot of things you already knew. If there was something useful in all that, I'm glad.

As for copper and silver, I'm not sure how they will read. Small pieces of raw, placer-type gold usually read low, in the foil range. I have some very small flakes and nuggets, and if you want, but haven't tested them much yet. If you want, I can do that and give you some numbers. I have intended to do that anyway...

I don't know about silver, or copper, but being higher conductors, I'd expect the small pieces of these native metals to read generally higher than a similar-sized piece of gold, but not sure.

And, LOOK OUT for the ordnance! :)

Steve
 
Hi Pastor Tom! Here's wishing you and all who celebrate it, a most joyous Easter. Your friend in Guam reminds me of a native here who dug up a few boxes of 50 cal ammo some years ago. He wanted to see if they were still good, so he made a fire, tossed a few rounds in and went behind some rocks. The ammo cooked off. That was totally irresponsible and foolhardy. I'm always very cautious with each good-sized target, digging in diagonally from the side of the widest signal.

Hello Steve. I sure would appreciate the TIDs from your flakes and nuggets. If you have any low-gold content alloys, that'd be fantastic as well. So far my own tests on 14-18K gold as well as PT900 rings have been in the 40-50 range. Thank you for all your help!
 
While I am also a long time metal detector user whom is new to the GB . I see no problem reiterating a lot of the information. Some times we get lazy and some times we just forget. I'm struggling with the sheer number of targets in the parks I am hunting even with the 5" coil.
Trying to set the gb over a total clear area is almost impossible. But I am finding targets and recovering coins so I cannot be doing too bad..
 
You hit the nail on the head, Jim. Steve's info was cohesive and comprehensive and relevant to both new and old users.
I've been testing the machine in an area where they used to repair fishing boats; lots of metal around and plenty of signals. It's a great learning experience.

On a side note, I can't seem to access findmall.com normally using Firefox 4 and Chrome browsers (all other sites load properly so I don't think I have a bad connect or a buggy DNS server); keep getting timeouts and server resets. However when I use a proxy server, the site loads up in a snap. Is anything wrong?
 
I use a netbook and connet through my cell phone. I also have had intermittant connection problems to a few sites lately. But I am using firefox 4.0 so maybe the issue is there..??
 
Am on Firefox 4 now, via proxy server. The site loads fine using this indirect means, so I don't think it's the browser that's problematic. I can only speculate that there's some load-balancing or load-distribution going on, which limits access to a specific range of IP addresses when the server is under strain. Anyways its time for me to slap on the sunscreen and go make some beeps!
 
Have fun and post pictures...
 
Wow live ! How do you disarm that?
 
Old munitions are too risky to disarm. They're surrounded by sandbags and after people have been evacuated and the area cordoned off, detonated in situ. Never EVER try to handle such things yourself. Call in the bomb squad and let the trained pros handle it.
 
Maybe I missed it but where are you finding this stuff ?.
 
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