Macedonian
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Does anyone know how the final version of the Gold bug will differ from the SE version yet ?
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Gold Bug next edition
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Macedonian
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Hi,
yes I have just been going back through some old posts and it was Mike Hill that made that statement but I do not know how he knew does he have any connection with First Texas ?
yes I have just been going back through some old posts and it was Mike Hill that made that statement but I do not know how he knew does he have any connection with First Texas ?
azsh07
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...an 11" DD coil would come with it and the coil would be "made" for the GB verses using one from the Greek series.
That was all that was ever mentioned in any kind of reliable information. The rest was speculation.
You are not going to realy know anything until they actually show up. Could they make software changes...yeah maybe. Change a whole control box...I don't see that happening from a cost basis. Why redesign it. They didn't do it to any of the F75 versions....all they did there was change color schemes and software....but the control box and layout never changed.
Probably best guess is the Pro will come with both coils at best or just the 11" DD only at worst. Maybe some software changes if they feel it is needed from any feedback or testing they received.
But how much changes are you going to expect in a $600.00 machine?
That was all that was ever mentioned in any kind of reliable information. The rest was speculation.
You are not going to realy know anything until they actually show up. Could they make software changes...yeah maybe. Change a whole control box...I don't see that happening from a cost basis. Why redesign it. They didn't do it to any of the F75 versions....all they did there was change color schemes and software....but the control box and layout never changed.
Probably best guess is the Pro will come with both coils at best or just the 11" DD only at worst. Maybe some software changes if they feel it is needed from any feedback or testing they received.
But how much changes are you going to expect in a $600.00 machine?
silversmith
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Hey, notice each Gold Bug has been on a different frequency, so you gotta always buy multi coils?
I would like to see good tests made with each detector at the same time on the same targets. Just my suspicious nature?
I would like to see good tests made with each detector at the same time on the same targets. Just my suspicious nature?
Shenandoah Digger
New member
Yep, the new Gold Bug will have an 11 inch coil made especially for it. In other words, they'll take the 11 that they currently have and put a Gold Bug stamp on it.
I'm inclined to refrain from saying precisely what models not yet released are going to be exactly, since in most cases the primary reason why a model is not released is because changes are being made. Marketing dept. is in the awkward position of having to tell potential customers what an announced but not yet shipping product "really is" and they occasional get bit. Comes with the territory. Nobody knows for absolute certain what a product is until they've swung it for 5 years, and even then someone else who has swung the same model for 5 years will argue about details.
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch in old El Paso, I think I hear urban mythology arising from the ashes again. The one about "searchcoil frequency". I get tired of this, but dealing with stuff like this is part of my job.
The original Gold Bug designed back in the 1980's ran at 19.2 kHz had a circuit and searchcoil design which were Fisher state of the art at that time. Note that this was well over 20 years ago. A lot has happened since then.
The Gold Bug II released in 1995 ran at 71 kHz and used a circuit and searchcoil design which were Fisher state of the art at that time. That was 15 years ago. A lot has happened since then. Even so, the Fisher state of the art 15 years ago was so advanced that the Gold Bug II is still a popular machine and still almost universally acknowledged as "the hottest on the tiny stuff".
The "new" Gold Bug platform was developed in 2009 and is undergoing some refinement and model diversification in 2010. Everything shipped so far from this platform has run at the same frequency, 19.2 kHz, and future models based on this platform which have already been announced will also run at 19.2 kHz.
This platform uses DD searchcoils from the "Frat Brothers" Tek series. There are currently two-- 5 inch round and 11 inch elliptical. Anyone who thinks we don't know how to make a searchcoil work at more than one frequency (the CZ's have been in production for 19 years, running at 5 and 15 kHz literally at the same time!) should play it safe and buy a Garrett Ace 250-- no, slap my mouth, the Fisher F2 is in the same price range and kyckes its keister! Of course neither machine is in the Omega and Gold Bug league.
As Shenandoah Digger pointed out, if a product is branded Fisher it should have a sticker put on it that says so. Sorry, there have been a few reports that some searchcoils went out without the Fisher sticker, or maybe the sticker fell off. There have also been reports of dealers selling "Frat Brothers" Tek series 11 inch DD's to Gold Bug owners since we have stated that this searchcoil is electrically compatible. If the sticker says Tek, the Gold Bug (as smart as it is) still doesn't realize that the sticker says Tek, it thinks it's a Fisher searchcoil. Not to worry.
--Dave J.
FTP-Fisher
* * * * *
Meanwhile, back at the ranch in old El Paso, I think I hear urban mythology arising from the ashes again. The one about "searchcoil frequency". I get tired of this, but dealing with stuff like this is part of my job.
The original Gold Bug designed back in the 1980's ran at 19.2 kHz had a circuit and searchcoil design which were Fisher state of the art at that time. Note that this was well over 20 years ago. A lot has happened since then.
The Gold Bug II released in 1995 ran at 71 kHz and used a circuit and searchcoil design which were Fisher state of the art at that time. That was 15 years ago. A lot has happened since then. Even so, the Fisher state of the art 15 years ago was so advanced that the Gold Bug II is still a popular machine and still almost universally acknowledged as "the hottest on the tiny stuff".
The "new" Gold Bug platform was developed in 2009 and is undergoing some refinement and model diversification in 2010. Everything shipped so far from this platform has run at the same frequency, 19.2 kHz, and future models based on this platform which have already been announced will also run at 19.2 kHz.
This platform uses DD searchcoils from the "Frat Brothers" Tek series. There are currently two-- 5 inch round and 11 inch elliptical. Anyone who thinks we don't know how to make a searchcoil work at more than one frequency (the CZ's have been in production for 19 years, running at 5 and 15 kHz literally at the same time!) should play it safe and buy a Garrett Ace 250-- no, slap my mouth, the Fisher F2 is in the same price range and kyckes its keister! Of course neither machine is in the Omega and Gold Bug league.
As Shenandoah Digger pointed out, if a product is branded Fisher it should have a sticker put on it that says so. Sorry, there have been a few reports that some searchcoils went out without the Fisher sticker, or maybe the sticker fell off. There have also been reports of dealers selling "Frat Brothers" Tek series 11 inch DD's to Gold Bug owners since we have stated that this searchcoil is electrically compatible. If the sticker says Tek, the Gold Bug (as smart as it is) still doesn't realize that the sticker says Tek, it thinks it's a Fisher searchcoil. Not to worry.
--Dave J.
FTP-Fisher
Macedonian
New member
Thanks Dave for your input, so the bottom line on the pro is pretty much speculation at the moment I suspected it might be as I always query sources.
I did read your last post on coil compatibility and understood from that the 11" coil is a broadband one which makes sense to me and clearly it is producing results as is born out by the current users that use it on the SE.
You have mentioned though in another post that a new innovative coil is being developed so will this also be a broadband coil that can be used on several models or specifically for the Gold Bug/G2.
Just as a sidenote here I have ordered and paid for a G2 in April and just wondered if there is any new estimates as to it's release yet as I was considering changing my order to the Gold Bug SE as at least that is available and the talk is that they will not be a lot of difference between these two models.
I did read your last post on coil compatibility and understood from that the 11" coil is a broadband one which makes sense to me and clearly it is producing results as is born out by the current users that use it on the SE.
You have mentioned though in another post that a new innovative coil is being developed so will this also be a broadband coil that can be used on several models or specifically for the Gold Bug/G2.
Just as a sidenote here I have ordered and paid for a G2 in April and just wondered if there is any new estimates as to it's release yet as I was considering changing my order to the Gold Bug SE as at least that is available and the talk is that they will not be a lot of difference between these two models.
Shenandoah Digger
New member
I couldn't care less about whether it has a sticker or not. My point was that the same biaxial coil will work on the Omega and the Gold Bug. And I don't believe that Fisher will make two different coils for the machines, as they are compatible. But if someone wants a damn sticker on it, I guess FT will have to send them one.
Macedonian
New member
morelic55 said:
The elliptical's are just another shaped concentric so will the concentrics work with the GB, apparently it is a lottery, how lucky do you feel.
Dwayne2010
Member
I used the 11 inch Omega 8000 coil and it seemed to work fine. It also cost me 199 bucks! So that would explain the extra costs associated to the Goldbug Pro. Kind of like the Ace 250 pro pack providing additional coils? Just my thoughts.
Macedonian
New member
Yep, maybe and also the G2 pricing.