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Earlier I mentioned on another forum about going out with a hunting buddy and following him and his Thou$and Dollar ++ "downunder" machine around a moderately trashy recreational park area here close to home. Final coin count for 3 hours hunting was his 67 to my 103, and I was following HIM, cleaning up what HE had missed. The real kicker was the machine I was using......a $152 Tesoro Compadre modified with a 4 inch coil......basicly one of the cheapest machines on the market with one of the smallest available coils. Sometimes "BIGGER" ain't necesssarily better..... <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Total coin count with the "TC4" for the past two days = 224. What can I say but "Just Plain FUN!" This set up gives new meaning and understanding to the term "target masking".
 
How hard is it to switch to that coil Ralph. Got a Compadre I'd like to match some other coils to, such as my S9. Will Rusty at Tesoro do a conversion or is it easy enough to do yourself? Thanks.
Bill
 
Very simple conversion Bill. Just go inside the Compadre, and remove the strain relief that is located at the control housing. There are wrench flats (nuts) on both the inside and outside. Once that is lose, just snip the coil wires between the coil cable and the PCB, leaving enough on the PCB to identify what goes where. You will be snipping the orange, grey, purple, and black wires that attach to the PCB. Note that the black wire is actually soldered to the ground/shield wires in the coil cable.
Then, remove the 5-pin plug from the coil you want to use. and strip the outer covering back about 2 1/2 inches. Separate the orange, grey, purple, and blue wires from inside the ground/shield wire mesh, being careful to keep the mesh intact. Just twist the two sections together into a single strand.
Once you've done that, remove the coil wire from the Compadre housing and the hardware from the replacement coil. Thread the replacement coil cable back through the strain relief sections like you removed the original, and then solder each wire back to the PCB or to the sections of color-coded wire that you left on the PCB when cutting off the original coil cable..... orange to orange, grey to grey, purple to purple, and the ground/shield mesh to the black ground. It's actually just as easy (or easier) to remove and replace one wire at a time from the PCB while soldering each cable wire back directly to the PCB points. Be sure to either wrap or use a piece of heat-shrink tubing on the exposed part of the mesh ground/shield part of the wire to avoid ground contact with the PCB inside the housing (red covering in photo). Also, the extra BLUE wire in the coil cable is not used, so just snip it off close to your strip edge where the other wires come out of the outer cable covering.
Here's a pic to give you an idea of what is involved inside the control housing, but it is actually a simple modification.
<b>DISCLAIMER: May or may not void your warranty, you'll have to ask Tesoro about that.</b> <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
I don't know if Rusty will do such modifications at the factory or not, but if you don't want to tackle it yourself, drop me an eMail and I can do it for you if you want to send the detector and coil out to me. All I would need is the stock control housing / coil combination and the extra coil. Saves bulk and expense of shipping the search-rod assembly.
Hope you and yours had a good Thanksgiving Bud.......
Ralph
 
I got into a new CW site today that was a camp. It had been hit for the past few years and had long ago been cherry picked. I came in there with my X5 with 9" coil on it and noted right off the bat the amount of ground noise I was getting in this one particular spot. The detector sounded like fresh Rice Crispies with milk poured on 'em. I dug a drop bullet and a few pieces of camp lead but played a hunch. I figured that the cherry pickers had probably encountered the same camp debris and avoided it for better ground. I had my 7" coil in the truck and went and got it. There were so many good targets that I was able to pick out of there that I hunted it til dark and was still digging. Dug 4 more minies, a pocketful of camp lead, 3 brass things that I thought were button backs, and two unidentified brass items. All this in a strip about 20 yds long by 15 yds wide that I had just a few minutes before hit with the 9" coil. It was the most iron infested part of the whole site but yet the only part we dug relics in today. I want a 5" coil to go back in there.
 
"The detector sounded like fresh Rice Crispies with milk poured on 'em."
I gotta hand it to you Daniel, you have a way with words! <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
I'm a staunch supporter and believer in using smaller coils for target separation in trash-ridden areas like you describe. I think Richard Angelico could give you some pointers and thoughts along those same lines, as he's been making some very nice finds in "hunted out" relic areas down in Louisiana recently using the X5 and 5 inch coil. I think once you try out the 5 inch, you'll be like some of us who find ourselves using it more often than either of the larger coils currently available. That's not to say they don't also have their place and areas of best use in getting down to the deeper targets. But I think there is alot of misconception about all the "good stuff" being DEEP DEEP DEEP, when more often than not, there are still ALOT of good targets to be found amongst the trash that tends to mask more desirable items than does the "depth".... <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
I think you'll be very impressed with the 5 inch coil on the X5.
Ralph
 
You've talked me into buying a small coil for my Hawkeye! I have a Roman site that has an area that is SOOOOO iron infested, I have avoided it both with my Tesoro SS2 with 8.5" WIDE SCAN LOOP, AND my Whites DFX with 9.5" concentric loop! sounds like I need a small loop real bad! <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
 
Thanks bud, looks simple enough but what I was eluding to was installing the standard Tesoro ( or aftermarket) female plug to the back of the control housing so you could use all the interchangeable coils made by Tesoro and Shadow. Is this possible, and if not, could you just install the female plug partways down the coil cable.
Bill
 
That can also easily be done for anyone who wants to change out different coils on this machine. You will need the Switchcraft female side of the coil cable connector plug (the part that fits in the control housing itself) and then the male end used on the actual coil cable. Just be sure to match the color-coded wires up to the standard scheme used on all of the land coils. Although the 5-pin plug hardware is used, only 4 pins are actually used. The standard pattern is as follows:
Pin 1 = Orange
Pin 2 = *not used
Pin 3 = Purple
Pin 4 = Grey
Pin 5 = Ground/Shielding (center pin)
The pins and female recepticles are numbered on each insert for easy referrence.
Also, the hole in the Compadre case where the stock cable strain relief passes through will need to be enlarged a little to accept the female side of the plug hardware. The housing is basicly the same as all of the uMax housings and everything will fit just fine.
The Switchcraft part numbers (if not outdated?) are as follows:
5-pin Male coil cable plug = SL415M
5-pin Female control housing plug = SL405F
Strain relief spring for cable = SL05
Also, here is a link to Switchcraft for more information on the parts needed.
http://www.switchcraft.com/products/connectors-47.html
Ralph
 
Ralph, I am interested in the "project" you did. Question...on the Tesoro site...."Conpadre", it lists the frequency as 12khz...compared to 10 khz for some of the other detectors. Which coil do you use??? In other words is it a 4 inch coil specifically for the Compadre??? Thanks, Lamar
 
the Compadre. I think that the Compadre is a
"sleeper" and for the money, it can't be beat.
Thanks again, Richard 'n Tn.
 
the Compadre. I think that the Compadre is a
"sleeper" and for the money, it can't be beat.
Thanks again, Richard 'n Tn.
 
the Compadre. I think that the Compadre is a
"sleeper" and for the money, it can't be beat.
Thanks again, Richard 'n Tn.
 
....about the different frequencies of the Tesoro machines. They have generally varied within the 10 to 12 kHz range for their land machines through the years, but all of their land coils still work fine between the different machines and frequencies. The differences in frequency are not enough to make a significant difference in the operation or performance of the coils. The 4 inch I used was a standard coil, just as the stock 7 inch on the Compadre is also a standard coil that will also work between the different land machines.
 
Wow what an insult. I bet your hunting buddy is steering clear of you from now on Ralph. His ego is hurting along with his right arm (poor balance). Thanks for the conversion tips....Al
 
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