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Giving our hobby a bad name !

Terry in PA

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Gettysburg investigates relic hunting
Holes found in the area of Spangler's Spring on the battlefield.
By TIM PRUDENTE

The Evening Sun
Posted: 07/09/2012 10:46:16 PM EDT

Law enforcement personnel are investigating an incident of illegal relic hunting and digging that occurred in the area 149 years after Confederate and Union soldiers fought on the Gettysburg battlefield. (THE EVENING SUN - TIM PRUDENTE)

The ground near Spangler's Spring on the Gettysburg battlefield was seen torn and damaged Saturday.

Holes appeared to have been dug into the grass. Areas were taped off and signs were posted to keep out the public.

Law enforcement personnel are investigating an incident of illegal relic hunting and digging that occurred in the area 149 years after Confederate and Union soldiers fought there.

Staff at Gettysburg National Military Park reported the torn ground on Saturday and it's believed the incident took place sometime during the weekend, according to park spokeswoman Katie Lawhon.

"I think it comes down to violating the core mission and promise of Gettysburg National Military Park, which is that the resources will be here for future generations," she said.

Park staff was conducting interpretive programs when they discovered 23 holes dug into the ground. Such incidents occur about two or three times a year, Lawhon said, sometimes by those who are unaware their actions are illegal.

Archeologists are now investigating the holes for clues, and rangers are asking anyone with information to contact the park office.

Park officials have voiced concerns in the past of professional relic hunters in camouflage who make a business out of digging and selling artifacts with the use of expensive metal detectors.

The use of metal detectors on the battlefield, as well as digging or hunting for relics is a violation of federal law and those

found guilty can face harsh fines and penalties.

The Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 proposes fines and possible jail time to those who remove, vandalize or damage archaeological resources.

Under the law, costly fines can be imposed simply for digging, regardless of whether an artifact was recovered. The maximum penalty for a violation is a $100,000 fine and 10 years in prison.

Federal rules also provide for a $75 fine and other penalties just for possessing a metal detector in a national park, regardless of whether it has been used. The park works to deter relic hunters and launched in the 1990s the Park Watch Patrol, a troop of more than 100 volunteers who patrol the grounds. The battlefield is also monitored by rangers, some in plain clothes and others who are camouflaged and use specialized equipment to detect violators.

HOW TO HELP

Rangers at Gettysburg National Military Park are seeking information about an incident of relic hunting and digging in the area of Spangler's Spring. Those with information are asked to contact the park office at 717-334-0909.
 
I did not see the holes so I can not definititavely say how the holes were dug.
That they were 'dug into the grass' arouses my suspicions.
I have seen this before in lawns and golf courses.
The culprit[s?] may be a skunk.
Skunks love to dig in the grass for grubs and emerging locusts.
I am not saying skunks did the digging.
I would have to see the holes to say for sure.
A skunk can't fool an old country boy like me who often went to school reeking of skunk in trapping season.
 
True that we get moles that leave just holes out here with no mounds just sink holes in a line sometimes as long as a football field. How do we know it was not some archeologist wanting some treasure? Lol.

Here's a great idea!!!!! Get a bunch of detectorists together, grid off areas of the park to the detectorists let's say 50x50 or what ever you would be able to handle in 1 day. There would be a few weekends a year where they could rent and show people proper digging, the town and manufacturers could make $ from it. It's a win win for everyone. Metal detectorists would get to hunt dream areas with no hassle. The town, manufacturers, make money which stimulates the economy. I live in Washington st and would plan a trip there. So what do you do about the finds? You give them to the town, coins and jewelry would be kept by the detectorists. Sounds like a fair deal. I think most of us would give relics up without one issue if we knew it would go to preserve our AMERICAN history.
 
oldcoon said:
I did not see the holes so I can not definititavely say how the holes were dug.
That they were 'dug into the grass' arouses my suspicions.
I have seen this before in lawns and golf courses.
The culprit[s?] may be a skunk.
Skunks love to dig in the grass for grubs and emerging locusts.
I am not saying skunks did the digging.
I would have to see the holes to say for sure.
A skunk can't fool an old country boy like me who often went to school reeking of skunk in trapping season.

I would agree, I live a little bit south of there and the cicadas (locusts) are emerging now. Maybe they can tell that the plugs were cut with a tool, but if just dug holes they could be done by skunks. Skunks seldom fill their holes.:lol:
 
I'm sure park rangers probably know what skunks do and this was different, but yes skunks do dig for grubs. Often they will pop your plugs back out. I've hunted until dark and came back the next morning at sunrise all many of my plugs were out of the hole flipped over. It's skunks going after grubs, as that's one of their favorite foods.
 
True.Two legged , or Four legged skunks...........:rofl:
 
Hi Critterhunter, Armadillos' do the same thing with plugs and really can make a mess of a nice yard with their own style of digging and plundering for whatever. I have mistaken Armadillo holes several times for detectorist holes but clean shovel cuts usually betray detector guys.HH, Charlie
 
It's a little odd how the damage was described in the article. "Torn and damaged"......."holes appeared to have been dug into the grass"......"torn ground".

Curious ways of describing holes made with a shovel or digger of some sort. Sounds more like animals. I wonder if they could possibly have a problem with feral hogs? They can sure make a mess of the ground.

If it was thieves using metal detectors I hope they catch them and make an example of them by throwing the book at them.
 
I have to agree with wasp that wording and phrasing used by the author make this sound a bit like a planted and contrived story.

Maybe it's true and I have no problem with the authorities enforcing the law.

If planted, it may be done with good intent (i.e. to discourage anyone thinking about doing it or to remind the public what the laws are) BUT...I'm growing frustrated with 'officials' and the media telling me what I should know, think, and believe because they think I should think what they think I should think!:rant:

The news media should only report real news and real facts, not make-up facts or contrive news, or slant news, or...:rage: Guess I've said enough but haven't begun to express how I really feel about the biased media.

As for it reflecting bad on our hobby, yes it does ... but to only those who are naive enough to believe what they read in today's news media.
 
Why don't the police found out where the black market is that the archaeologists use to sell their artifacts and just watch them closely? :cool:
 
IF I were stealing from the grounds of a place like this I would dig perfect plugs and nobody would know I was ever there. Maybe this is the case and an animal followed and dug up the perfect plugs. Lots of possible scenerios. Its all wrong as far as the human factor is concerned. I'm just thinking human nature. No offense intended. I would NEVER detect somewhere like this. We need to watch each other I guess. Peace. Matt
 
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