I have owned a whites 4900 coinmaster, White's IDX pro (good MD) and now a X-70. I am not overly impressed with those MDs. I want a quick machine with great depth, cuts out the trash quickly, gives me a good idea whats in the ground, depth reading, back light, lock on to a Target. My other Mds do not lock on that well to coins but the IDX pro did the best in that category. I hunt in all grounds from parks to homes and fields. I want my MD to see the silver like my eyes a glued to Monday night football. My X-70 has to many iffy signals on coins but locks on to trash. I am a serious coin shooter. Coins are all I want. My relics mean nothing to me and if you guys are near me you can have them for exchange for a beer and wings. I heard the tesoros are deep and don't mess around but a like minlab and whites. I don't like the fact that my whites give faint signals for deep objects and my x-70 is clear in sound regardless of depth. I don't want bell and whistles and comp. interface and and an eng. degree to use the MD. The three I had or have just don't cut it for me. I want to hear a coin at 10" like it is at 4". I found my first barber quarter with my x-70 2 days ago and I pissed myself. The x-70 gave me an iffy signal at 4" and when I pulled the plug the signal was gone. I went over the hole and plug numerous time and nothing. I happened to pass the same hole by chance and bam! I got a solid 44 lifted the plug and there sat a 1909 d barber. My f@$& first and in the same ground a have pulled 25 Wheaties.I know the whites would have done the same but better. I know this long winded but I am serious about my hobby. I am out 4 times a week for many hours. Anyhow, I want a coin killer MD but fast. So my point being is give me an honest opinion what would be best for me. I don't care about how many tones it has I just want the MD to lock on a coin and not let go and deep. I need a ID with a good idea whats there but most important a strong loud signal saying dig me. Some times I move quickly for cherry picking but I also go slow when I know there is silver. I hope I have made some sense out of this post. I have a passion for coins and will continue to hunt for then until nature takes it toll on me. I am 41 so I have many good years left and I don't mind bending and digging. I don't find the x-70 as comfortable as the whites but the minelab is safer in the rain. Money is not and issue for me so let me have it. So far it seems the SE is the best choice for me and I hear it is as deep as the e-trac. Oh and also I want the discriminating machine out there. If could I would till and sift for days if land owners would let me. I am an archaeologist and I do condone metal detecting. artifacts are out of the ground than sitting lost for ever. So you archaeologist with an attitude can talk to me and I'll bring a box of tissues for you. So... I want you guys to buy me a MD and I'll pay for it. Sorry for the long post but I'm not you weekend worrier. Give me what you got and don't hold back. Thanks for reading and I respect all your opinions so lay it on me brothers.
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give me an answer and no bull crap
- Thread starter jspeedy
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Speedy the SE is a good choice what makes this detector a silver killer is its tone ID same with the E-Trac I like the ET because I can run in auto and disc it is quiet stable and deep the SE I have found that I get better results running in iron mask and manual not as stable and I believe that getting out of a null by letting the ET decide my sens is one reason I am finding so much silver. I think the Exp2 SE have better tone ID than the ET but it doesn't bother me that bad I am going to dig all hi tones also the ET is a killer on Nickles this year I have 9 war nickles and 7 buffs 54 silvers both Mds are deep seekers and take some time to learn there you go no Bull HH RonC
Minelab Explorer and E-Trac are not "quick machines" For best results, you gotta swing slow.
If you're willing to give up swinging it like a weedwhacker or a Whites
then:
Has great depth, better said - has the most accurate target ID on coin size objects at depths up to 12"
It locks on silver like white on rice.
Target separation is FANTASTIC even with the Pro coil but you have to go slow.
I want to hear a coin at 10" like it is at 4" - turn up the volume and gain setting and it will amplify the deeper signals. Good headphones are pretty much a requirement too. I prefer the softer signal on deep targets as I only go for deep stuff. If it's a penny and shallow, I'm most likely not going to dig it. I wish my detector had a depth discriminator - I don't want to hear anything above 6"!
I'm guessing when you dug, maybe that Barber quarter got turned on edge somehow. I highly recommend a good pinpointer like the Sunray or the Pistol Probe. Makes target recovery FAST and helps separate the junk from the good stuff. I think I wasted more detecting time with target retrieval than anything else, personally, I'm fast at recovery, so I may cover less ground because I'm scanning slow, but when I dig I get it and move on.
If you want to hunt tot-lot and soccer field clad and pile up massive amounts of coin the E-Trac and Explorer are not the right machines. If I wanted to only dig a lot of coins, I'd go to a site with lots of recent activity, crank up the discrimination, turn down the sensitivity, leave my digger at home and take a screwdriver. I'd be popping coins all day.
If you're willing to spend three+ hours at a good site and maybe dig one or only a few older coins and some trash then Explorer and E-Trac are the right machines. The X-70 is a good machine, lightweight too. The only thing I didn't like about it is there was no Sunray probe available for it. My gut feeling is that the X-70 or one of the high end Whites machines might be what you would like best.
Plain and simple, if it were easy to go out and vacuum up lots of coins fast and easy, everyone would be doing it, and whoever made that machine would sell a million of 'em.
If you're willing to give up swinging it like a weedwhacker or a Whites
then:Has great depth, better said - has the most accurate target ID on coin size objects at depths up to 12"
It locks on silver like white on rice.
Target separation is FANTASTIC even with the Pro coil but you have to go slow.
I want to hear a coin at 10" like it is at 4" - turn up the volume and gain setting and it will amplify the deeper signals. Good headphones are pretty much a requirement too. I prefer the softer signal on deep targets as I only go for deep stuff. If it's a penny and shallow, I'm most likely not going to dig it. I wish my detector had a depth discriminator - I don't want to hear anything above 6"!
I'm guessing when you dug, maybe that Barber quarter got turned on edge somehow. I highly recommend a good pinpointer like the Sunray or the Pistol Probe. Makes target recovery FAST and helps separate the junk from the good stuff. I think I wasted more detecting time with target retrieval than anything else, personally, I'm fast at recovery, so I may cover less ground because I'm scanning slow, but when I dig I get it and move on.
If you want to hunt tot-lot and soccer field clad and pile up massive amounts of coin the E-Trac and Explorer are not the right machines. If I wanted to only dig a lot of coins, I'd go to a site with lots of recent activity, crank up the discrimination, turn down the sensitivity, leave my digger at home and take a screwdriver. I'd be popping coins all day.
If you're willing to spend three+ hours at a good site and maybe dig one or only a few older coins and some trash then Explorer and E-Trac are the right machines. The X-70 is a good machine, lightweight too. The only thing I didn't like about it is there was no Sunray probe available for it. My gut feeling is that the X-70 or one of the high end Whites machines might be what you would like best.
Plain and simple, if it were easy to go out and vacuum up lots of coins fast and easy, everyone would be doing it, and whoever made that machine would sell a million of 'em.
if your wanting pure speed and to be able to go fast the I would go with a fisher f75 or teknetics t2. Sorry minelab guys i love my e-trac but i do have to say the fishers are extremely fast and much faster than the minelabs. Now if you want trash separation and ungodly depths with a decent recovery speed but moveing slow then a minelab is what you need.
Il take my e-trac over a fast sweep speed any day of the week.
If i needed to cover lots of ground and do it fast then fisher wins.
Il take my e-trac over a fast sweep speed any day of the week.
If i needed to cover lots of ground and do it fast then fisher wins.
Jspeedy,
Your post says that you don't want any bull crap so I won't give you any. Simply put, the demands that you put on a metal detector simply aren't realistic, at least in terms of today's technology. Comments like "I want a quick machine with great depth, cuts out the trash quickly, gives me a good idea whats in the ground, depth reading, back light, lock on to a Target" and "I want my MD to see the silver like my eyes a glued to Monday night football" may sound good and look good in print but in the real world, if you really require a detector that can do these things then you should find a different hobby.
So to be very honest while I know of and use several good machines, I can't recommend any of them to you given the requirements that you list.
Just one man's opinion. Good luck to you in your hunting.
Bill (S. CA)
Your post says that you don't want any bull crap so I won't give you any. Simply put, the demands that you put on a metal detector simply aren't realistic, at least in terms of today's technology. Comments like "I want a quick machine with great depth, cuts out the trash quickly, gives me a good idea whats in the ground, depth reading, back light, lock on to a Target" and "I want my MD to see the silver like my eyes a glued to Monday night football" may sound good and look good in print but in the real world, if you really require a detector that can do these things then you should find a different hobby.
So to be very honest while I know of and use several good machines, I can't recommend any of them to you given the requirements that you list.
Just one man's opinion. Good luck to you in your hunting.
Bill (S. CA)
.Andy Sabisch
Active member
You are getting some good perspectives but you might get more without a title that sounds like you are looking at picking a fight . . . don't think a lot of people are posting "bull crap" as you so eloquently put it . . . . .
As far as which detector is [size=x-large]THE BEST[/size] out there . . . . here's the simple answer . . . . ready . . . . . . "[size=x-large]IT DEPENDS[/size]"
Hate to sound to noncommittal but the best detector for YOU is the one that you do the best with. I have hunted with experienced hunters that use different detectors and at the end of the day, who ever had their coil go over the good stuff was the one that had it in their pouch. Recently did some relic hunting with three other hunters and not one of us had the same brand detector let alone model. 8 hours later we all had about the same amount of stuff but from my personal experience, one of the detectors was not usable for my style and preferences . . but it clearly was for the guy using it.
For a specific area (ground and trash conditions) and a specific hunting style (fast / slow / turn-on-an-go / tweak) and other facts such as the type of target you are looking for (relics, coins, etc.), how much weight you are willing to lug around and how much specific features mean to you, the detector that is ideal for me or anyone else on the forums may not for you and vicea versa . . . .
Define your needs realistically, put them in order of importance and unfortunately you may have to comprimise to get what is as close to the ideal detector as possible . . . what you are asking for is not available yet sorry.
Andy
As far as which detector is [size=x-large]THE BEST[/size] out there . . . . here's the simple answer . . . . ready . . . . . . "[size=x-large]IT DEPENDS[/size]"
Hate to sound to noncommittal but the best detector for YOU is the one that you do the best with. I have hunted with experienced hunters that use different detectors and at the end of the day, who ever had their coil go over the good stuff was the one that had it in their pouch. Recently did some relic hunting with three other hunters and not one of us had the same brand detector let alone model. 8 hours later we all had about the same amount of stuff but from my personal experience, one of the detectors was not usable for my style and preferences . . but it clearly was for the guy using it.
For a specific area (ground and trash conditions) and a specific hunting style (fast / slow / turn-on-an-go / tweak) and other facts such as the type of target you are looking for (relics, coins, etc.), how much weight you are willing to lug around and how much specific features mean to you, the detector that is ideal for me or anyone else on the forums may not for you and vicea versa . . . .
Define your needs realistically, put them in order of importance and unfortunately you may have to comprimise to get what is as close to the ideal detector as possible . . . what you are asking for is not available yet sorry.
Andy
I am not looking for a fight nor did I imply people are posting "bull crap". perhaps I should have written "please give me simple and direct opinions" but I wanted to get ones attention. I apologise if anyone has take offence to the original remark. It is utterly frustrating when I here so many conflicting stories about what MD is better. I hunt in all different conditions depending on my mood so... I don't think a good coin hog is unrealistic to ask for.
1. depth
2. great DISC
3. great trash separation
4. fast mult freq
5. depth Ind.
6. great target ID
7. self cleaning
John
1. depth
2. great DISC
3. great trash separation
4. fast mult freq
5. depth Ind.
6. great target ID
7. self cleaning
John
Any of the better detectors takes time to get to know them and learn them well and probably a longer learning curve too. These seem to false a lot and get your hopes up of a good coin. By learning what the detector is telling you will help tell the difference. On the Sovereigns, the Explorer and the E-Trac they give you the info and let you decide if you want to dig or not. With this being said I feel these take longer to get to know to really do great with them, just ask any of those you see with the many nice finds they do find with one of these. The Fisher F-75 also takes some time to get used to and most will sell them before learning them and those that learn them do really well.
The IDX Pro is a very easy detector to learn and it does well too, but not like the Minelabs do. The MXT to me was one fun detector to use and easy too, but it didnt get the depth the Sovereigns or Explorers can.
Myself I have a Sovereign GT plus a E-Trac and the F-75 and I can pick coins out of trash and some so deep many will not believe it until they see me do it with the Sovereign. I do OK with the E-Trac and the F-75 and getting better with both of these from experience with them and learning what they are telling me. The Sovereign is the one I spent a lot of time with and got to know well is why I do so well and can tell coins from trash better than any detector i have ever used. Those like JamesND that post all those great finds on the Explorer forum spent a lot of time learning his Explorer and dug a lot of trash getting to know it, he used a Bounty hunter Big Bud before and did OK, but after getting to know the Explorer his finds have been awesome.
What I am trying to say is it will take time and patience to do good with the top of the line detectors and as Andy says the detector is only as good as the person using it and understanding it.
Good Luck with what ever detector you want to use and get to know well as it will do well for you.
The IDX Pro is a very easy detector to learn and it does well too, but not like the Minelabs do. The MXT to me was one fun detector to use and easy too, but it didnt get the depth the Sovereigns or Explorers can.
Myself I have a Sovereign GT plus a E-Trac and the F-75 and I can pick coins out of trash and some so deep many will not believe it until they see me do it with the Sovereign. I do OK with the E-Trac and the F-75 and getting better with both of these from experience with them and learning what they are telling me. The Sovereign is the one I spent a lot of time with and got to know well is why I do so well and can tell coins from trash better than any detector i have ever used. Those like JamesND that post all those great finds on the Explorer forum spent a lot of time learning his Explorer and dug a lot of trash getting to know it, he used a Bounty hunter Big Bud before and did OK, but after getting to know the Explorer his finds have been awesome.
What I am trying to say is it will take time and patience to do good with the top of the line detectors and as Andy says the detector is only as good as the person using it and understanding it.
Good Luck with what ever detector you want to use and get to know well as it will do well for you.
Jesse W. McComas
New member
Can't Help you Dude...Jesse.
I have about 40 hours on the Etrac and will give you my honest no bull crap opinion...All I do is coin shoot mainly old trashy parks, in those 40 hours I found about 40 coppers(pennys) , 9 bucks in clad and 1 1920 mercury dime...Id's on this machine seem to jump around the ferrous scale on coins 4-6 inches but they seem to remain relatively stable on the conductivity scale...I find if the target is over 6 inches the tone stays good but both the fe and co numbers tend to jump around...As for target seperation in trashy parks, I found out that you have to get your sensitivity to at least 22-23 to seperate coins from surface trash(or trash buried shallower then your coin) that are near the coins...In my area the etrac falses quite a bit at this high sensitivity setting but it gets coins close to trash and I deal with it, if I didn't set it this high I just get alot of nulling...My suggestion is to try to borrow or rent one to see how high you can get the sensitivity in your area, I feel this is the most important aspect of getting this machine to work good for you