ghost signal target trace

[sube]

Well I would like to know how many of you get ghost signals in target trace and how you deal with them .
When I get a ghost signal say at 12.40 to 12.47 and the cursor is full in the bottom right corner I get iron grunts in audio then it's iron ,if no audio and the cursor is full in the bottom right corner and is reading 12.40 to 12.41 then this is iron rust or a mineiralize hot spot no audio means the audio can not see the object or is to small but target trace will see this in ferrous coin .

The reason for no audio is because the rust flakes are to small to detect or minerialize hot spot but target trace will show it .
When I get no audio and the cursor is full in the bottom right corner and target trace is showing 12.37 or lower then I know that there is a non ferrous object with iron the reason being that the iron is touching the nonferrous item or very close which I guess is canceling out the audio because now the signal is blended .

Iron that is not touching or with in a inch of the nonferrous target will give audio if you get audio then the machine is seeing a target by going several directions on said target you should be able to isolate the nonferrous target if the target moves from where you pinpoint then it is a false .

If I get a 12.12 to 12.47 in target trace and the bottom cursor is full with audio high pitch and iron grunt these I always dig if they pinpoint where the sound is coming from and there hitting on a coin # .

If I get a coin # hit and the cursor is full in the bottom but the cursor is empty on the 12 line but still there on a coin # then I check depth if it's over 7 inches deep the target trace will be weak but the audio well be good .Audio is deeper than target trace so I will dig these if they pinpoint where I pinpoint them .

What's your experiences with ghost signals . sube

 

[CT Todd]

Good stuff to talk about. My version of this is much the same as yours and I agree with your descriptions of how it acts. I put a lot of faith in the target sound and pinpoint in the same spot point. If they stay in the same spot I'm sure to dig. I also take into account where I am and that has a lot to do with dig or not. If I'm in a field or the woods I will just dig it as I'm not hurting anything and rather then spend the time thinking about it I can just have it out very quickly.
I don't mind the rejection I just put it in the trash side of my pouch and move on. So very site specific. Good topic

 

[AngelicStorm]

Very good observation. Ghost signals seem to come and go for me. Especially the deeper signals where there are a lot of ferrous targets.

My experience is the same as yours except I did not know about the 12:37 and lower signal trick. I can just about rely on what my machine is telling me if there is a mixed iron/non-ferrous audio signal at say like 12:28 and below. The audio is what gives it away. Once a barely hear that little blip of a sound then it's time to zero in on wherever it came from. Very rarely have I not found a non-ferrous target around iron when that happens.

Another thing I have noticed is when there are cursors on say the 12 and 35 Fe lines and they both have the same movements in all directions higher/lower then experience has shown me that it is going to be a ferrous target. If you want to add anything then be my guest. All additional information on this subject is helpful to everyone who is interested. Like CT Todd said, good topic.

 

[sube]

Another thing I have noticed is when there are cursors on say the 12 and 35 Fe lines and they both have the same movements in all directions higher/lower then experience has shown me that it is going to be a ferrous target. If you want to add anything then be my guest. All additional information on this subject is helpful to everyone who is interested. Like CT Todd said, good topic.

Thanks Angelicstorm That makes perfect sense one target is not going to move around #s wise but 2 targets in the same hole with any distance between them well fluctuate the #s more than one lone target and target trace will also move at the same time. Good post well have to see how that works thanks. sube

 

[mcb613]

Great topic to follow. I can't add anything cause I'm not quite at that stage yet. So, I do have 1 question on this topic and discussion. How often are you guys seeing this on a regular hunt, or is it primarily on a older farm site with alot of iron? I know each site and hunt are different, but trying to determine if this is a common thing or every now and then?
Thanks

 

[AngelicStorm]

Great topic to follow. I can't add anything cause I'm not quite at that stage yet. So, I do have 1 question on this topic and discussion. How often are you guys seeing this on a regular hunt, or is it primarily on a older farm site with alot of iron? I know each site and hunt are different, but trying to determine if this is a common thing or every now and then?
Thanks

It happens for me where more nails are present. The proximity of the Co/Fe targets is what causes your detector to give a ghost signal. It can happen in a farm field, but that is not typical because usually there is a good distance between them. The same as said for proximity of targets can be said if there is a lot of Fe targets in a farm field.

 

[sube]

Depending on manual or auto manual will give you more ghost signals than auto because manual can run a lot higher than auto because you can set it higher than auto. When I get a ghost signal no audio but iron in the right lower corner is full and the cursor is on coin # I will check it in pinpoint sizing if I get audio in pinpoint then I have to decide if it's a grunt or high pitch coin signal
As far as how often this happens quite frequently switching from manual back to auto and auto gives a signal gets me more interested in the target than if it does not return a signal .
Manual will find targets auto will not see because of running it hotter than auto but the reason I use manual is because signals can be missed in auto . But found in manual can be check in auto because you know where the target is . Because of auto running with less sense than manual auto will turn some of these signals into falses that don't display the coin # cursor on the 12 line. It's still easier to just check in pinpoint sizing to see if there is a signal there that stays where you pinpoint.

AngelicStorm had a very good point about the cursors matching the 12 line and fe line moving the same as you sweep the target if the movement varies from top to bottom then there's a very good chance that 2 targets are in the same hole . This is coming together after 4 years using the ctx because a coin and nail hit displays the coin on the 12 line running horizontally across the 12 line because it is seeing 2 targets which change the #s from lower to higher because it is showing the lower conductor and higher conductor at different times as you sweep across them .

Going back to how often still varies on site to site but the more iron in the site the more often it happens . Not from just deep iron but shallow iron also which will ghost on you as well .
I still had problems with small iron short nails roofing nails because there going to read tighter than a long nail but watching the 12 line and fe line if they run the same then I know there is not another target with the one I found so audio well just be a grunt and I can move on .

If anybody has anything to add your welcome thanks . sube

 

[glenn3-88]

All I can say is HECK of a good topic to discuss. Almost every day I hunt I run across a high pitch coin signal one way, slow down my swing coming
back from the opposite direction and I get the iron grunt and move on. Big mistake I think. I have often wondered what happened to the high coin
pitch but did not investigate any further and continued my hunt. I now feel that from that initial coin pitch direction that I am hitting a conductive target
first and from the opposite direction slowing my sweep down just slightly, I am getting what possibly is a larger iron target that from a different direction
masks the smaller (possible coin) target. This somewhat different than what you call the ghost target but what you are saying here makes a lot of sense
to me now. My natural swing is not very fast at all as I came from the at pro to the safari and the safari slowed me down with the fbs but I should be
doing more investigation on those high "blips" that are from a different direction a grunt.

I will be following this daily.

Sube, thanks for posting. This is something that will help all of us.