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Frustration!

homebre

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Probably just venting here, but I have been hunting with my "V" at parks lately, and I have not been finding much but junk. I got so frustrated, I put away the "V" and used my old Bounty Hunter Tracker IV. Within a short time I found about 75 cents in clad. So this is my question, I am super-tuning the "V" and using DISC a bit below TAB. It seems that I am just getting too many hits on everything, which is mostly old iron and aluminium. The old iron if big will not DISC out all the way. Since I am not going for depth since I do not want to dig too deeply in a park, should I be setting up my "V" differently (i.e., backing off the sensitivity and increasing the DISC) or am I just being lucky and finding coins with the BH IV?

Andy from Hillsborough
 
You're considering a lot of variables there, Hombre. I've found it helpful to hunt trashy parks with a bit less sensitivity of whatever I'm swinging and Like to disc just above iron, then thumb the disc to see if the signal drops off in the tab to zinc penny range. Larger aluminum and iron are nearly always the pits. I'm not one to super tune at all, but that's probably just me. Bottom line in my opinion though is you mostly just happened to swing over the coins with the BH.
BB
 
If clad coins make your day; turn the discrimination up just far enough so zinc pennies crackle and pop and then dig all clean small sounding signals. It depends on your location, but the 3:00 o'clock position on both the discrimination and threshold work for most. I like to run mine quiet and listen for faint signals.

tabman
 
when you say super tuning , do you mean ground balancing in the negative, if so I have found if you go to far negative it beeps and shatters on more than it should at least the outlaw but the vaq must not be to much different maybe ground balance it neutral my gues is you just did not run over any coins ,
 
tabman said:
If clad coins make your day; turn the discrimination up just far enough so zinc pennies crackle and pop and then dig all clean small sounding signals. It depends on your location, but the 3:00 o'clock position on both the discrimination and threshold work for most. I like to run mine quiet and listen for faint signals.

tabman

I agree with tabman.

I quit using my Vaquero in parks. There's nothing in my parks to dig that my Compadre won't find.

The V is really hot even when its not super tuned. I've dug beer cans that were almost to China. I dug a tiny 4p finish nail at 12 inches the other day so I share your frustration. I think it takes a while to really learn the machine but it will find good stuff if you can find a good site.:)
 
Super tuning is turning the threshold up in discrimination mode beyond what is usable for all metal mode. It can give more depth with some models, including the Cibola and Vaquero. The Tejon does not gain depth with supertuning.

I found that super tuning kept me digging a lot of very deep pieces of iron. Supertuning seems to decrease how well the discriminator performs on all but the very very small pieces of iron. When I stopped super tuning and started leaving the treshold where it was usable for pinpointing, my good finds to trash ratio got much better. The iron recoveries almost disappeared. No need to run the discrimination high, just knock out small nails. Knock out small foil too if that is a problem for you at your site.

You can run the sensitivity high as long as it is stable, but I'd recommend not supertuning it and set it up for a usable pinpoint. That also lets you use the pinpoint to size targets so you know if you have a nice small coin size target or if it is bigger.
Cheers,
tvr
 
Super Tuning the "V" is best suited for relic hunting, the reason is the extreme depth also causes discrimination to lose its ability to disc out a lot of Iron, and you also stated that you were running low discrimination as well.
How deep was you finding the clad with the Bounty Hunter?
Did you find any nickels with the Bounty Hunter?
Beep and Dig machines seem to be more geared towards relic and or jewelry hunters.
If you want to just dig coins then you would need to Drop the super tuning enough to gain back Iron disc'in abilities and also raise the disc control to max , or maybe screw caps. No! your not going to hit on nickels, but you'll pick up more clad and WAY less trash.

Mark
 
In parks that are junky, I run the Vaquero (my primary machine) with the 5.75 concentric coil with the threshold from 1 to 3 o'clock , the sensitivity from 4 to 10, and the disc. from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock. These settings are according how junky the place is. I do known that in high aluminum trash parks, high sensitivity isn't your friend. I rarely super tune, the Vaquero is hot enough to get most deeper coins. I use a late 80's model cutlass (heck of a disc,, no sensitivity control) with a 7 in concentric coil ( best coil ever made) in a lot of junky areas, but for metal structures, such as bleachers, playground equipment the BHQDII with the 4 inch coil. This is just what works for me. HH CG
 
homebre said:
Probably just venting here, but I have been hunting with my "V" at parks lately, and I have not been finding much but junk. I got so frustrated, I put away the "V" and used my old Bounty Hunter Tracker IV. Within a short time I found about 75 cents in clad. So this is my question, I am super-tuning the "V" and using DISC a bit below TAB. It seems that I am just getting too many hits on everything, which is mostly old iron and aluminium. The old iron if big will not DISC out all the way. Since I am not going for depth since I do not want to dig too deeply in a park, should I be setting up my "V" differently (i.e., backing off the sensitivity and increasing the DISC) or am I just being lucky and finding coins with the BH IV?

Andy from Hillsborough

Andy, try running without super tuning and set the disc. just past tab. If you are not after gold rings you might as well knock the tabs out and concentrate on clad and silver. Big iron and beer cans are fairly easy to ID. Pin point on a coin by staying in disc mode and "X-ing" over the target to locate. Once located move the coil slightly left to right and then back and forth. With a little practice it is easy to see how a small coin responds. The pin point area is very small. On large iron or a can the pin point area is much larger and that is the first clue. Second sweep the target while raising the coil. If the target is still loud and clear this is your second clue. Most of the time, but not always, by sizing my target up while pin pointing I can tell if it is a quarter vs. a dime/penny.
 
I use a few different detectors when I hunt my parks, an F2, a Compadre and my Vaquero.
Lots of these parks have a lot of trash and junk including small and big iron because most of them used to be farms in the past.

I just added a 5.75 concentric sniper coil to the arsenal to use on my Vaq and that helps a lot in some of the more trashy sites, but I still do pretty good separating targets with my 7" coil Compadre and even my bigger coils on my Vaq...but that sniper coil is much better at these type of trashy sites.

A couple of tips that might help regarding how I use my Vaq...and my Compadre for that matter.

Big, rusty iron will come in high and usually won't disc out but it can be recognized in the obvious ways by lifting the coil high and still get a signal of using the pinpoint button on the Vaq to "paint" a picture of the size of the object in the ground...and I use my Propointer to do this paint thing on every target before I dig, also.
Coin sized targets and rings will usually have a much smaller profile than those bigger objects especially in very dry soil so you can tell the difference.
Plus, when the iron target is big enough I get a loud and very smooth tone on my Tesoros without a very short quicker one with a very sharp endpoint like most coins seem to be.
Large gold will give me a very smooth tone too, but this will sound different than that iron one with a fuller sound with a bit more dimension in that tone.
Small iron targets like smaller rusty nails will sound more like coins and have a small profile in the ground but there is something else that works for me sometimes.

When I use my Tesoros I NEVER hunt the way all the manuals say by turning the disc knob up to the fade out point, I always go past that point and then slowly thumb that knob back down slowly as I am making swift short passes over the target with the coil.
How that target "comes in" gives me much more information than going the other way and seems a lot more accurate to me, too.
I have found that most trash like tabs and can slaw and foil will not just come in doing it this way but will be fuzzy and have a lot of clicks and spits and crackles before the target tone firms up...or at least a few clicks.
Not all trash will do this but a lot of it will.
All coins and other good targets like coins and rings and most others will usually just be silent and then appear without all that extra noise.
Again not 100% of the time but most of the time.
Nickels can be a little weird and crackle a bit doing this, sometimes zinc pennies too, but most of the time they don't and the tone will also sound slightly different and fuller on these better targets vs. trash for the most part.

Now those tiny bits of iron like small nails.
Sometimes they will disc out but at a point just a hair below max disc.
Most of those high tone older pop tops and screw on tops will do this too and knowing this I can avoid these for the most part.
Turn the disc knob to max, swing over the target and with a slight movement down with the knob they come in...maybe with a little noise, maybe they will just appear, but at that point just below max disc if they come in there that target has always been trash for me and some small nails and other rusty iron will do this too.

The many other small bits of iron that won't disc out at all and behave like coins I still listen closely to that tone and for that bit fuller dimension again in that tone and especially for that very sharp endpoint which coins have but those small nails might not.
Lots of times there will be a slight difference between these 2 type of targets that won't disc out at all...swing over enough of these and you can learn to hear that difference.

Of course lots of times those small iron objects like nails will sound exactly like coins in the sound of the tone and a sharp endpoint and unless you have X-Ray vision you just gotta dig them and see.
Maybe you can't avoid all the trash using these techniques but I believe you can avoid a lot of it.
I have dug enough good targets and trash signals of all kinds, solid and iffy, in my time using my Tesoros for several hundred hours to know that even if this does not work all of the time it does seem to work most of the time and that satisfies me and keeps a lot of the "what ifs" at bay.
I say I am a dig it all kind of hunter but that is not really 100% true.
What I really am is a dig it all SOLID SIGNAL digger, whether that signal might be a coin or something else in the trash zones from foil on up and even in iron sometimes.
I dig enough trash as it is, mostly because some trash just comes in so solid and also because so many great targets like gold seem to be disguised most of the time and come in at the trash zones. Luckily, the good ones are usually solid and come in clear and I have found my share.

I might be missing something good once in awhile doing it this way and trying to avoid trash by digging only the more solid and clear tones and signals, but in my mind I am pretty confident I am finding a pretty good amount of better targets and seem to come out of some very trashy sites with a pretty good amount of some good ones in my treasure pocket.
 
If you are only going for coins and jewelry that is no more than 6", don't super tune. The only I ever super tune is when I am at a very old site and the ground is not hard as a rock. Most parks and schools, everything is not very deep.. And most of the time I use the small coin. I don't hunt very fast. I am in no hurry. I like to just take my time and have aa good time. So what if I don't find silver 24" deep. I don't like digging very deep when the ground is like a rock. My old arms are not like POPIEs. Cot it back and enjoy your day... KEN
 
Thanks to everyone for all the useful suggestions. I will summarize some points here and answer some questions. Most of you are correct, that I should not be supertuning for park hunts as there is just too much trash (iron and aluminium). I am afraid to DISC Max as I will lose any chance of finding gold. I was finding very small pieces of iron and aluminium, even when I tried to DISC them out, so the sensitivity was too high. The coins I found with the BH were from 1 to 3 inches deep. I do find nickels with the BH, which does seem to do a good job of DISCing out iron. I will use the pinpointer function on the "V" to size the target better. Again, thanks to everyone.
Andy from Hillsborough
 
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