Frustrated... still not sure about F75 LTD vs T2 LTD

[Hwy 395]

Dankowski maintains that the F75 LTD is deeper than the T2 LTD and more sensitive on lower conductors. People on this forum seem to say the exact opposite... that the T2 LTD is deeper on coins.

The differences, as I understand them.

No backlight on the T2 LTD
The F75 LTD has one more preset mode
The T2 LTD is locked in 2 tone mode while using bP and CL process... the F75 LTD can use all 4 tones in bP and CL
No notch feature on the T2 LTD.
No confidence meter on the T2 LTD
No static all metal mode on T2 LTD
F75 LTD saves settings when detector is turned off
Expanded iron range on the T2 (0-40 instead of F75's 0-15)

Based on these differences, I would gladly opt for the T2 over the F75 and save $200.00 The only one that bothers me a bit is the fact that you don't get to use all 4 tones in bP mode. The rest are no problem.

The only deal breaker is if the F75 LTD really *is* deeper somehow. I'd like it if we could explore this point. Thanks

 

[Dave J.]

Despite their obvious similarities, the T2 and F75 have rather different "front end" circuits.

The F75 is slightly hotter in an air test with no electrical interference, but by a small enough margin that it's hard to prove that margin actually exists under actual field conditions. "Deeper" is a function not just of the electronics, but also how you set up and use the machine under what conditions. Because of differences in scaling, it is not possible to set up a T2 and F75 "exactly the same" in discrimination mode, and in the hands of some users under some conditions those differences would give a slight advantage to the T2 on low conductors.

To simplify all that: both machines are general purpose machines, but between the two, in the hands of most users the T2 will be slightly better for relic hunting and gold prospecting whereas the F75 will be slightly better for coinshooting. That's the basic idea and there's no need to get lost in the details.

--Dave J.

 

[Markmac]

Dave thanks for the posting, we appreciate your explanations on the differences of the two machines..Markmac

 

[Keith Southern]

and have all bases covered...Seems the t-2 and f-75 are more of a general purpose all around hunters .. and while they are great detectors in there own right i see more in ground depth in my dirt with a Omega ....

The f75 /T2 is at 13 khz and that is a compromise just a (little) for low and high conductor sensitivity ..Get the omegas love for deep targets and high conductors at the 8 khz range and hopefully the G2 at 19khz will be be just the ticket for the low conductors..

They both will share the same coils also..so for the money maybe around 1200.00 for both the omega and the G2 you will out do the LTD and it alone will cost in the same neighborhood..

Just my thought..

Might be too early to tell on the G2 yet but I believe it will come with the Excellent 11"DD Bi-Axial..( Again I must say David J. you out did your self on that particular coil!)

That could also be put to good use on the Omega!!

I have more thoughts but not enough time to write right now.

Hopefully we can discuss more later today!

Keith

 

[earthmansurfer]

Quick question Dave,

First, I have the T2 and live in Germany. I often get a ground balance reading of 50 to 60 and my magnetic Fe reading (if it's right to call it that) is often at .3 (Third from the bottom). I find using the T2 a little difficult in this soil (more like clay, though there are areas of sand around too).

So, when you say the F75 is better for coin shooting, I wonder if that is true in my soil. Perhaps this is a better question for the F75/T2 vs. the Omega, as I think the Omega would perform better in my soil, wouldn't it?

edit - BTW there is lots of iron in many places. It does see through ok, but the ground conditions really make things difficult I think.

Thanks,
Earthmansurfer

 

[Hwy 395]

To simplify all that: both machines are general purpose machines, but between the two, in the hands of most users the T2 will be slightly better for relic hunting and gold prospecting whereas the F75 will be slightly better for coinshooting. That's the basic idea and there's no need to get lost in the details.

--Dave J.

This is what is confusing me. Everything else I have read, including many posts by Dankowski on the subject, and posts here at Findmall, suggest the exact opposite. That the T2 is the better coinshooter and that the F75 is a better relic hunter.

 

[Hwy 395]

Thanks, Keith. That's not a bad idea, albeit expensive. I would imagine the lower frequency Omega would be a great coinshooter, but I've read the LTD is deeper. I have pretty bad ground in my area, and I have never really had luck in the mid frequency range. Maybe the really low frequency would punch through better?

 

[Terry in PA]

I'd go with what Dave J said after all he's the one who made both detectors!

 

[Elton]

I think.and from my experience with both machines this is whats happening in the field.

First let me say this up front..My knowledge is pea sized to Dave J's... I agree with all he says in theory..so forgive me Dave for even posting my thoughts.

A lot of people use the T2 in schools and park settings. The Disc set at 40..makes the T2 better at finding coins in a lot of areas. It's a little more stable to a lot more stable. It does not get the same effect on outside electrical interference the F75 gets...and the T2 has extreme depth. It does not hit all the little iron targets that the F75 hits thus making it more productive to the area, and to the "ears" for hearing the deep coins. As Dave says, you can not set both machines exact.. Process modes are different, and a small amount of factory sets are different. The T2 in many areas (not all) I want to say..will seem as if it's doing a better job than the F75 on coin shooting. It's my theory if you could set the F75 the exact same way for iron discrmination it would do better..But you can't..it's configured differently........ So for many, you get more, and deeper coins by default using the T2.. I prefer the T2 over F75 for coin shooting because of the reasons I stated..Is the F75 hotter..It sure is...will it perfom better in all areas ..No !!

The T2 for many reasons is the ultimate detector for over all good coin hunting in many, many areas ..Thats based on my usage, and my experience with both machines.

 

[Furious T]

Great post Elton, One of the more practical explanations I've read on the differences between T2 & F75.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Get both!

 

[Hwy 395]

I'd go with what Dave J said after all he's the one who made both detectors!

I actually just realized it was David Johnson who answered my question. Sorry about that.

Thanks Dave, I appreciate it.

 

[D&P-OR]

You didn't know you had "da man" talkin to ya, huh? --------Del

 

[Cal_Cobra]

The T2 LTD is locked in 2 tone mode while using bP and CL process... the F75 LTD can use all 4 tones in bP and CL

Unfortunately this was a T2 LTD deal breaker for me. 2 tone is great for relic hunting, or for certain situations, but I cannot fathom using it for deep silver turf hunting in a trashy old intercity park, you'd be glued to the screen

 

[jmaryt]

agreed!..,however i believe first texas desires to delineate between the two.and in my opinion,a very poor "choice"
was made here!..very disconcerting,as the lack of the 4 tone feature in it's 'best" mode would indicate the detector IS geared more to relic hunters ,as opposed to coin shooters.
definately a "busted" deal for me too!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[chuck ky]

does it lose depth if you use more disc. if not you could just set the disc to just below indian head and dig everything.

 

[jmaryt]

yes ,of course this IS possible,however the 4 tones can save your back,and your mind set when hunting,
AND make for a much more pleasurable hunt!..i guess the point being,if ya gonna buy a high end detector, and with the outlay of cash ya gotta commit to,
ya really want as much info as you can get to make the digging decision,so the hunt will be less work,and more fun!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[johnnybegood]

I had to bring this post back up because this week im either buying a f75 se Or a T2 se..
A backlight would be nice...I always use the 2 tone mode anyway..But what detector is deeper?
On a airtest the f75 got 1 and a half inches deeper on a dime....
I dont care about the money difference i just want maximum depth...Mostly i hunt deep woods....
john