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From the manual looks like the F70 doesn't have full Disc range, can it notch out high conductors(silver)?
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jackintexas
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No. Only through zinc pennies.....Jack
Golden Silver
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[quote BarnacleBill]n/t[/quote]
I have asked this same question about the BOUNTY HUNTER LAND STAR and the FISHER F5 which hasn't been released to the public yet, possibly on June 1st.
Older analog detectors such as the TEKNETICS MARK I LTD had full, 100% DISC and when you rotated the DISC control to max, it went silent. This was a feature that allowed you to DISC everything out and then using another knob you could select any area on the meter to be detected. This came in handy if you were looking for a ring, for example, you set it to find just that area of the ring on the meter and it would ignore everything else regardless of what the coil went over. You could also do the opposite and detect everything except a window allowing you to ignore anything in particular. So if you didn't want to find copper cents, it would ignore copper cents but still sound off on dimes, etc.
Manufacturers don't think that having a feature where a DISC control could be run to max thereby making the detector go quiet is needed or necessary. So they set the DISC limit to zinc cents. I sometimes don't want to detect copper cents but I don't have choice 'cause my LAND STAR's DISC cannot be set to ignore copper cents and I never know if the signal is for a copper cent or a dime. When I retrieve a copper cent I'm not always happy to do so . I don't care if wheats are copper cents! Give me dimes, quarters, and halves and I'll be happy.
An executive at FISHER was totally surprised when he tested the F5 and found that the F5's DISC was not 100%. I was on the phone with him when he was testing the machine.
I have asked this same question about the BOUNTY HUNTER LAND STAR and the FISHER F5 which hasn't been released to the public yet, possibly on June 1st.
Older analog detectors such as the TEKNETICS MARK I LTD had full, 100% DISC and when you rotated the DISC control to max, it went silent. This was a feature that allowed you to DISC everything out and then using another knob you could select any area on the meter to be detected. This came in handy if you were looking for a ring, for example, you set it to find just that area of the ring on the meter and it would ignore everything else regardless of what the coil went over. You could also do the opposite and detect everything except a window allowing you to ignore anything in particular. So if you didn't want to find copper cents, it would ignore copper cents but still sound off on dimes, etc.
Manufacturers don't think that having a feature where a DISC control could be run to max thereby making the detector go quiet is needed or necessary. So they set the DISC limit to zinc cents. I sometimes don't want to detect copper cents but I don't have choice 'cause my LAND STAR's DISC cannot be set to ignore copper cents and I never know if the signal is for a copper cent or a dime. When I retrieve a copper cent I'm not always happy to do so . I don't care if wheats are copper cents! Give me dimes, quarters, and halves and I'll be happy.
An executive at FISHER was totally surprised when he tested the F5 and found that the F5's DISC was not 100%. I was on the phone with him when he was testing the machine.
Agian this is where the new machines come into play. You can run the Disc all the way up and then go back and notch in what you want. You can even notch and Disc where you want, heck you can even notch the high or low end of everything if you want. Disc and notch are independant. One thing i think people fail to realize is that there is alot of reliable info on the screens of the new machines. They are very acuate. Dont be quick to judge unless you have used one first hand. Is it so hard to switch tones so zinc comes in at a mid tone? Or get a high tone on a sweep and it 69-70 "wheat" and chose not to dig and move on? Lets stop all this once was and whats now when there are very few people here who have put the time in on diffrent machines. I get out there and make finds, not sit and post about odds and ends with nothing to show.
Golden Silver
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[quote EZrider]Agian this is where the new machines come into play. You can run the Disc all the way up and then go back and notch in what you want. You can even notch and Disc where you want, heck you can even notch the high or low end of everything if you want. Disc and notch are independant. One thing i think people fail to realize is that there is alot of reliable info on the screens of the new machines. They are very acuate. Dont be quick to judge unless you have used one first hand. Is it so hard to switch tones so zinc comes in at a mid tone? Or get a high tone on a sweep and it 69-70 "wheat" and chose not to dig and move on? Lets stop all this once was and whats now when there are very few people here who have put the time in on diffrent machines. I get out there and make finds, not sit and post about odds and ends with nothing to show.[/quote]
EZ, my boy, you sound as being satisfied with your machine because your requirements, whatever they may be, are being met. However, as you can see others have reqruirements that are not being met so you have to accept that satisfaction has many levels. There is nothing wrong with criticizing manufacturers because they're producing machines that are different from past machines which sometimes leave out desirable features. When you buy a machine you want control over it and if it's not possible you look for one that you can. VCRs are like this. I wanted a VCR that not only had slow motion but also frame-by-frame advance. Only a few models were able to offer this so one didn't buy the ones that wouldn't allow it.
With detectors things are changing radically. As I said, I was considering a MINELAB X-TERRA 70 because I was impressed with its performance. I wanted to move up to the 21st century with a high tech machine. The main reason I didn't buy it is because it doesn't have coin icons and I don't feel like remembering all of the possible combinations that one has to in order to decided whether to dig or not. I do like its many notching possibilities which may include notching out copper cents. For me, this is desirable. In America we have definite coins and detectors that feature coin icons will satisfy most of the time than those not having coin icons. I want a fighting chance without having to become an encyclopaedia of number combinations. I also would prefer a machine that at least gives a different tone for copper cents and dimes. This is a big help in deciding whether one wants to dig cents or ignore them. This was possible in older machines. Progress does not always result in more choices.
The FISHER F5 is closer to a totally desirable machine, for basic coin shooting, because it has coin icons, VDI, and knobs that allow infinetisimal adjustments instead of a totally touchpad which does not give the fine control a knob does.
So we all have our fantasies and we should be allowed to discuss these fantasies. There is interest.
EZ, my boy, you sound as being satisfied with your machine because your requirements, whatever they may be, are being met. However, as you can see others have reqruirements that are not being met so you have to accept that satisfaction has many levels. There is nothing wrong with criticizing manufacturers because they're producing machines that are different from past machines which sometimes leave out desirable features. When you buy a machine you want control over it and if it's not possible you look for one that you can. VCRs are like this. I wanted a VCR that not only had slow motion but also frame-by-frame advance. Only a few models were able to offer this so one didn't buy the ones that wouldn't allow it.
With detectors things are changing radically. As I said, I was considering a MINELAB X-TERRA 70 because I was impressed with its performance. I wanted to move up to the 21st century with a high tech machine. The main reason I didn't buy it is because it doesn't have coin icons and I don't feel like remembering all of the possible combinations that one has to in order to decided whether to dig or not. I do like its many notching possibilities which may include notching out copper cents. For me, this is desirable. In America we have definite coins and detectors that feature coin icons will satisfy most of the time than those not having coin icons. I want a fighting chance without having to become an encyclopaedia of number combinations. I also would prefer a machine that at least gives a different tone for copper cents and dimes. This is a big help in deciding whether one wants to dig cents or ignore them. This was possible in older machines. Progress does not always result in more choices.
The FISHER F5 is closer to a totally desirable machine, for basic coin shooting, because it has coin icons, VDI, and knobs that allow infinetisimal adjustments instead of a totally touchpad which does not give the fine control a knob does.
So we all have our fantasies and we should be allowed to discuss these fantasies. There is interest.
BarnacleBill
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See my post concerning wading. There are situations where audio fatigue sets in from undesired targets in high concentration areas. Users vary in the way they detect, some detect mainly thru audio, others visual, and then various combinations of both. I think you're not realizing how differently other's detecting situations and styles are from yours.
For example Bill Ladd will go into a cellar hole that is filled with iron targets and mine the iron out to expose the good targets masked by the iron. Nearby I have cellar holes filled with iron, if you think I'm going to do the same you're nuts, ain't happening, I want technology to solve the problem for me because I'm in it for the fun factor. I despise gardening, hail on earth as far as I'm concerned, so dig iron out of a cellar hole? No way! But I recognize that certain detector users will do that, and that's OK, it's their means of engaging in the hobby.
The beep-dig knob runners think the TID/VDI users are a bunch of wimps and pay too much attention to the detector and not their senses. They might ask of you, why are you even looking at a meter? What's so hard about digging a solid tone that comes in above the disc level that is set?
HH
BarnacleBill
For example Bill Ladd will go into a cellar hole that is filled with iron targets and mine the iron out to expose the good targets masked by the iron. Nearby I have cellar holes filled with iron, if you think I'm going to do the same you're nuts, ain't happening, I want technology to solve the problem for me because I'm in it for the fun factor. I despise gardening, hail on earth as far as I'm concerned, so dig iron out of a cellar hole? No way! But I recognize that certain detector users will do that, and that's OK, it's their means of engaging in the hobby.
The beep-dig knob runners think the TID/VDI users are a bunch of wimps and pay too much attention to the detector and not their senses. They might ask of you, why are you even looking at a meter? What's so hard about digging a solid tone that comes in above the disc level that is set?
HH
BarnacleBill
I guess that magic machine does not exist. You could say why don't they make a machine that only sounds off on silver,gold and platinum and nothing else. You have to understand conductivity to realise what our machines are capable of. Maybe in 20 years from now there will be a way for our machines to ignore the 100 years of tabs caps and foil to get down 6 inches to the targets were after. Sure when i was a new guy detecting the first thing i did was discrim everything up too the silver so i could cherry pick. I guess we have all done it once. We all came home to an empty pouch too. I dig my share of trash but i come home with some nice finds too.
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and other pieces of jewlery. I always liked to use the CZ-7a for this as you can notch out coin. Also if I go to the beach I dont really want to dig clad all day. I go to the beach for gold- another reason to have full disc range. Engineers think we all look for coins I suppose---
Mike
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