Friendly Trash

[tcp]

I have had a chance to hunt several of the local parks last fall that have been heavily hunted. I usually hunted in the Coin Mode using 'Ferrous-Coin' and near the end of the season I was setting the sensitivity at auto+3. I found 75 Wheaties and about 20 silver dimes. Even though many of the coins were about 7" deep, almost all were found in trashy areas. I did not find many in the low trash areas and I attributed this to the fact that there have been many deep seeking coils manufactured in the last several years. I think what makes the 3030 such a good machine is its ability to separate trash from good targets. I remember digging one hole and finding two silver dimes with three bent nails. Several of my other silver finds had iron targets with them. I am looking forward to messing with the Tone Profiles when the snow melts.

 

[sube]

This is what I have been telling people since I have had the ctx the trash is where the coins are . Sites that are hunted hard most coins in the not so trashy areas are long gone or to deep .The ctx in trash modern trash is where it shines you experience what I have found .
So after 3 years of running the ctx I have settled on this as my go to program.
Open screen , fast on , seawater ,ferrous coin , combine , target trace , target trace pinpoint in sizing , auto plus 3 or manual if I can push the machine without much chatter .
My bins or set up as iron 26 100hz 1 to 10 bin 1 at 100hz 11 to 15 bin 2 1000hz 16 to 28 bin 3 100 hz 29 to 50 bin 4 1000hz this well find you all us coins accept early Indians and some gold.
If you want the early Indians you well have to open 20 to 23 but be prepared to dig a lot of tabs if you open this up .
Most junk appears to come in at 1 to 10 and 16 to 28 accept for the Indian Penny's.
The reason I choose these settings is because of the junk 10 to 15 hits with the 6 inch coil per sweep
This makes it easy to separate low from high tones .
Also it is very kind to the computer between your ears people want to know what there digging before there digging have many different bins set at different hzs which just complicates things in a target rich environment.
By the way your doing very well and good luck this year . sube

 

[huntindog1]

You guys running the 6" coil in these high Trash areas? Or electing to stick with the stock coil for more depth?

 

[sube]

The 6 inch coil for me just to many signals a lot easier on the brain .
As far as depth from 6 to stock not much difference you can run higher #s on the 6 as compared to the stock because it sees less ground mineralization .
Also better separation in trash .
The stock will work just that you have more signals on the screen and harder to decipher.
Do a air test on bought coils the stock will get 11 to 12 inches on a dime and the 6 will get 10 to11 but you can run higher #s in the same ground on the 6 therefore making it a wash . sube

 

[kittlitz]

Hi Sube,

I use very similar settings to yours, but have a question: why do you turn "seawater" on? Do you have it enabled even when you're hunting on land? Thanks.

-Ken

 

[tcp]

Huntindog1, I have used the 6" coil a few times in trashy areas. I only found a few wheaties but I can understand why Sube likes it in high trash areas. I never tried all his tricks of making it read deeper. Perhaps had I used his deep seeking settings I might have used the six inch coil more. I too would like to know why he uses 'seawater'. Thanks Sube for your reply.

 

[foreign object]

Sube I have one program set up to 3 tones that gets used on the older sites. Ferrous I use 75hz and conductive I have 2 bins at 200hz and my nickel and silver at 950hz.

I like to know when I am into nails is the reason I use 75hz for the ferrous tone. Being that low is also less taxing on the old ears.

I also have one program that I use if I only want to dig silver. same 75hz as above for Ferrous and everything from 1co to 38co is 200hz and 38 co to 50co is 950hz.

I set my ferrous line at 22. Some say that is to low but after two years I cant find a reason to raise it any higher.

Been back and forth with the fast on fast off thing and the jury is still out on that.

 

[coondog]

Pretty sure Sube runs the seawater to cut down on chatter allowing him to run the sensitivity a little higher. I remember his post about it from last spring I think.

I have found that this does work well in noisy areas with a lot of old trash and rusty bottle caps.

When I run with seawater on it seems to add 2 inches of depth to each target. In other words a 3 inch target now reads 5 inches. Just something to be aware of.

But try that trick it works very well.

 

[sube]

You can read about seawater in my second from last post in Hunting coins in old ground . sube

 

[sube]

Sorry that's hunting old coins in bad ground on the bottom of the ctx forum . sube

 

[kittlitz]

Thanks, Sube. I would never have guessed that 'seawater' could increase sensitivity when hunting on dry land. Will try it next time.

-Ken

 

[Agseeker]

Sube,

Does using Seawater on land work better on dry, moist, or wet soil? I'm planning on trying your program tomorrow in a park I've been hunting for the past year. It rained yesterday and last night so the ground should be fairly wet.

I've been using the stock Coin Program with a slight modification (Ground-Coin instead of High Trash) and the 11" coil in this park. I've done pretty good with this set-up finding around 75 wheats, 18 silver, 1 gold pendant, and a host of interesting tokens. This park has lots of pull tabs, small rusty nails, and worst of all - aluminum twist off caps (that ring up anywhere between 12-35 to 12-45) -- not bad for a hunted out park. It will be interesting to see what my old set-up missed.

 

[sube]

From my experience I think it works even better in moist or wet conditions .
As you know in wet conditions iron falses happen more frequently than dryer conditions seawater for some reason eliminates most of the small ghost falses letting you run more gain with it enabled. But then again if it's wet you may not be able to run as hot as if it was dry. Wet conditions make most detectors run more sparky .
But it has always let me run higher gain than with it not enabled .
What are the sense #s in auto 3 do you get running with it not enabled and what are the #s you get with it enabled .
Using seawater with my 6 inch coil I can usually run 30 in manual my #s with it not enabled in auto 3 are 23 to 19 . sube

 

[Agseeker]

Sube,

Thanks for the quick reply. I run almost exclusively in auto+3. My machine doesn't seem to do as well in manual. Using the modified stock coin program my numbers run anywhere between 19 and 30, but usually 22-25. Two of the silver coins from this park were paper thin Barber dimes (1901 & 1903) that gave a one way signal. They were @ 7" deep.

I'll let you know what I find.

 

[Agseeker]

Went out today for around 4-5 hours and used Sube's settings for the first time. Here's what I found: 1 wheat cent (1958D); 5 copper memorial cents; 5 zinc cents; 1 Jefferson nickel (1940D); 1 clad dime; and 1 Cactus Jack's game token. While none of these finds are particularly impressive, these were coins that I had missed using the 11" coil and stock coin program. Some observations about Sube's settings: 1. The fact that I found so few coins in trashy areas that I'd already hunted with the 11" coil and stock program tells me just how good the CTX really is (I found @ 100 old coins before using the 11" coil and stock coin program and that doesn't count all the modern coins found). 2. The "good" readings really stand out from the "iron" grunts - no guess work at all - even in situations where the "good" tone was closely surrounded by grunts. 3. Not all the high tones were good targets -- I probably dug up three times the trash than what I would normally dig (that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone). 4. Listening to all the grunts starts wearing on you after 3 hours of continuous detecting. 5. A great program for trashy areas, but slow due to the 6" coil.

Sube - thanks for sharing your settings; I'm keeping them on my detector.

 

[huntindog1]

Thanks for the update and info.

Went out today for around 4-5 hours and used Sube's settings for the first time. Here's what I found: 1 wheat cent (1958D); 5 copper memorial cents; 5 zinc cents; 1 Jefferson nickel (1940D); 1 clad dime; and 1 Cactus Jack's game token. While none of these finds are particularly impressive, these were coins that I had missed using the 11" coil and stock coin program. Some observations about Sube's settings: 1. The fact that I found so few coins in trashy areas that I'd already hunted with the 11" coil and stock program tells me just how good the CTX really is (I found @ 100 old coins before using the 11" coil and stock coin program and that doesn't count all the modern coins found). 2. The "good" readings really stand out from the "iron" grunts - no guess work at all - even in situations where the "good" tone was closely surrounded by grunts. 3. Not all the high tones were good targets -- I probably dug up three times the trash than what I would normally dig (that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone). 4. Listening to all the grunts starts wearing on you after 3 hours of continuous detecting. 5. A great program for trashy areas, but slow due to the 6" coil.

Sube - thanks for sharing your settings; I'm keeping them on my detector.