Fors CoRe on way

[mtsheron]

Well, after much debate and reading between the Fors and the Teknetics T2 new version I went with a Fors. I like the idea of the COG program and not having to set my levels all from ground zero when beach hunting. May have to tweak but not a complete overwrite.

Plus the T2 while it has great reviews the pinpoint switch and ground balance toggle looked very susceptible to breaking from the photos. Just seemed a little cheap looking. I did like the 5 year warranty but 2 years on the Nokta I would hope issues would present themselves within that time.

Any heads up on this machine before it gets here would be great. I have had in the past a Garrett ACE350 and a XP Deus. I loved the Deus but sold it to fund another project at the time and have been without since for months now.

How is the headset that comes with the Nokta????? Ok or junk????

I would love to one day pick up another GreyGhost headset which I had with my Deus and loved. Even though these would be wired, I assume the sound quality to be the same. I was told by the sales rep this detector will go deep???? My areas are clay (red dirt) and some areas high in iron. In fact, where I live through the woods for a hike is a old Confederate Iron/Ore mine they mined during the Civil War. My other target area will be the NC/SC coast/beaches for finding lost jewelry and coins.

 

[eSCANZ]

Hi -

I have owned 40+ detector in the last few years and will openly admit that I am no expert on any one of them but I do know quite a bit about each of them all the same - I have found the Nokta FORS CoRe Pro Package is all I would ever need -

It works exceeding well in the enviroment in was designed for Coin/Relic but it also keeps up with the more specialized detectors on the beach and in the Goldfields, so that in itself makes the FORS CoRe a wise choice -

The build quality reminds me of how the USA used to once make their products - strong, well thought out & a absolute pleasure to use

I am not going to tell you about the features of the CoRe as you would already know these but I can state that I have never swung a detector which is balanced as well as the Nokta FORS CoRe -

I think you should feel pleasantly relieved - You made the right choice & I dont think you will be dissapointed

Good luck and enjoy

 

[mtsheron]

Thanks eSCANZ.......I look forward to using this machine.

 

[dbado1]

+1 on what eSCANS said!
In the mineralised soil... if it gives you trouble, just up the I.D. Mask setting until it settles down. The machine is surprisingly stable in hot ground but can be tweaked to accommodate if necessary. I have never used nor needed the COG mode (I live in AZ.).
The stock head phones are O.K.. I use Black Widows and relegated the stock ones to back up status. The Grey Ghosts are great!
The machine is VERY sensitive especially in DI2 (my favorite mode) so I rarely run the sensitivity up beyond the standard setting of 50. The depth is very good. The small 5" coil is awesome in hot and trashy ground with great separation abilities. The FoRs CoRe also has great recovery speed between targets thus allowing for a faster swing speed and separation of targets.
The menu lay out is easy to understand and simple to operate.

I use the Deteknix X-Pointer pin pointer and it drives the machine nuts no matter what frequency shift I set the machine to. I really like the pin pointer a lot but would not recommend it for use in conjunction with this machine. Maybe someone else can chime in with a better pin pointer suggestion.

You will not be disappointed with this machine! Hope this helps some.

Dean

 

[mtsheron]

+1 on what eSCANS said!
In the mineralised soil... if it gives you trouble, just up the I.D. Mask setting until it settles down. The machine is surprisingly stable in hot ground but can be tweaked to accommodate if necessary. I have never used nor needed the COG mode (I live in AZ.).
The stock head phones are O.K.. I use Black Widows and relegated the stock ones to back up status. The Grey Ghosts are great!
The machine is VERY sensitive especially in DI2 (my favorite mode) so I rarely run the sensitivity up beyond the standard setting of 50. The depth is very good. The small 5" coil is awesome in hot and trashy ground with great separation abilities. The FoRs CoRe also has great recovery speed between targets thus allowing for a faster swing speed and separation of targets.
The menu lay out is easy to understand and simple to operate.

I use the Deteknix X-Pointer pin pointer and it drives the machine nuts no matter what frequency shift I set the machine to. I really like the pin pointer a lot but would not recommend it for use in conjunction with this machine. Maybe someone else can chime in with a better pin pointer suggestion.

You will not be disappointed with this machine! Hope this helps some.

Dean

Thanks Dean for the input. I have a Nokta pinpointer coming as well. It is the identical one to the Makro waterproof one I had with my Deus. I loved that pinpointer and hope I will the Nokta version of it. I did look at the Black Widow headset. I like the idea of being able to mute it when you lay the detector down to dig so it does not drive you nuts with the tones.

Would you say the BW headset over the GG????

 

[emosca]

Hi mtsheron;

I have not had any of the detectors you mentioned you had experience with as to offer some reference, but you will surely love this Fors Core.
It is my main detector and I love it.
I have absolutely no experience in land, but when it comes to beaches, I have hunted plenty of types. Most of the beaches are heavy mineralized, some with soft sand, some with packed sand just as bricks. Black sand, medium salt to really salty beaches. You name it.
In just about most beaches I ussally hunt in, unless I am really far away from the surf and in loose sand, I cannot ground balance the machine if I am not in COG mode. I ussually ground balance manually, and always leave it sparky, so kind of off balance.
COG mode is really dissapointing in my case. To start with, when I ground balance in COG mode (pumping the coil), it goes to 0 as ground phase, so detection depth is just a couple of inches. Besides that, it adds id masking of 40 and some of our coins have some ferrous component, so id masking that high does not work for me.
I have to say that is really stable, not false signals at all, but loosing so much depth, I cannot live with.
So, this is the only mode I do not use, and really dissapointing regarding this machine.
The other 3 modes are really good.
DI2 is best, followed by all metal and last DI3. DI3 is really good because you can use high sensitivity 75 to 80, so even though depth is not as good as DI2 and AM, for some wet sand conditions, it is not as sparky and it allows to hear good signals. DI2 gets absoultely unmanageable at that sensitivity, call it extra sparky, which is really difficult to distinguish good from false signals.
But DI2 when not so salty and well ground balanced, it is absolutely amazing and really enjoyable, however, sensitivity above 60 is challenging in wet packed sand.
I use all 3 modes depending on the ground.
Pin pointing is really good with the switch in the handle and it is dead accurate, however, the reading of depth is not good at all. Dilek had explained that the reading in the handle is not actually the depth, and actual depth is in the control box, however, it is not comfortable to check the reading in the control box while hunting. In my opinion, this should be corrected in future versions. More accuracy regarding the depth in the handle. In all cases, the reading is good enough as to knowing if it is a shallow, medium or deep target. That is good enough for me.
One thing I noticed about the 11' coil, is that it highly sensitive right in the middle, but it looses this sensitivity quite a bit towards the front and back, so you should really try to pin point accurately in the middle and target is right beneath it.
I have the pro package, and small coil worked great for finding some tiny coins (even smaller than dime size) which were somehow masked by some iron nails all over, so that works great.
Unfortunately if you intend to hunt in salty beaches (wet sand) it is not the most appropiate detector, if you have to ground balance very low, detection depth will be affected, but this is the case for most VLF detectors, however, black sand even though high mineralized is not a problem. For really salty beaches and wet sand or near the surf, I just use a PI detector which I also love..
So all and all, you will surely love this detector and do not hesitate in asking whatever.
Good hunting

Ed

 

[dbado1]

Interesting report ,Ed. My experience is very much like your's with DI2 and DI3. I really like the DI2. You are right about the depth reading in the handle. I use it as a loose reference or ignore it. The VCO in DI2 mode is a better indicator of target depth.

mtsheron,
I don't think, in my experience, that you can go wrong with either pair. Both are excellent. The BW ear cups are a little roomier and they don't seem to squeeze as hard as the GG do. Both block ambient noise like wind very well. If I were to get a pair of GGs I would, personally, opt for the NDT model. All head phone failures that I have had, happen when the cord fatigues at the attachment points at/in the head phone itself or at the plug end. The NDT model offers a good solution by having a plug at both ends so the wear points are on the cable and not inside the headphone. They include an additional cable so when one wears out you just replace it with the additional cable and off you go. Plus, if detecting around brush, if you snag the cable it will just pull out of the head phone at the plug without damaging the wiring inside the head phone.

Congrats on your purchase!

Dean

 

[mtsheron]

Fors CoRe arrived today and I did not have time to do anything other than put it together real quick. My only issue with the detector is the lower shaft being a flimsy feeling plastic and not a bit more rigid. Other than that it is what I expected. The factory headset will have to go however!!!! I am deciding between GreyGhost NDT and Black Widow headsets. I have had GG in the past and know the quality there. But I like the idea that you can mute the BW when putting the detector down to dig so you don't have to hear the erroneous tones.

Not sure I will be able to get out soon with the detector but will try maybe Sunday afternoon. Hope it performs well.

 

[dbado1]

Congrats! Have fun!!

 

[mtsheron]

Congrats! Have fun!!

Thanks dbado1.......!

 

[Monte]

learn the Nokta FORS CoRe, I am certain you will find it a durable and great performing detector.

To me it is one of the better balanced models using any search coil in that roughly 7X11 DD size. Matter of fact, the FORS CoRe has a well designed search coil/rod mount design with the mounting point closer to the center which provides a much better 'feel' and 'balance' The Makro Racer rod-mount point is too far to the rear from center, and I noted that on the photos of the pending Nokta Impact. I sure hope they re-do the Impact coil design because the FORS CoRe is very well balanced.

Headphone? No, the Phillips that are in the Pro package are not what I care to use for detecting. We all have different hearing abilities and head and ear sizes so sometimes it is not just the audio quality but the fit of the headset that is important. My personal favorite is the 'tank-style' earcup as used on the Killer B 'Hornet' model and the White's Pro-Star headphones. The 'standard' earcup used on the better quality devices is the same as what is on my two sets of Killer B 'Wasp' headphones.

Both White's and Killer B have Lifetime Warranties on their headphones and my current set-up is using my 'tank' style Pro-Stars as my main-use headphones, and my Miller B 'Wasp' are the 'back-up' headphones. Both work quite well in the FORS CoRe, and even with my impaired hearing the audio qualities are there for me to match the quality performance the detector provides.

Monte

PS: If you have the 'Pro Package' with the smaller 4.[size=small]7[/size]X5.[size=small]2[/size] 'OOR' DD coil, you just might end up using the CoRe and 'OOR' a major percentage of your time afield. That is, if you hunt any very dense trash sites you will, especially if iron littered! The 'OOR' coil in the Di3 Tone mode is a very deadly combination .... and it still provides impressive depth for areas without as much nearby masking trash.

 

[mtsheron]

learn the Nokta FORS CoRe, I am certain you will find it a durable and great performing detector.

To me it is one of the better balanced models using any search coil in that roughly 7X11 DD size. Matter of fact, the FORS CoRe has a well designed search coil/rod mount design with the mounting point closer to the center which provides a much better 'feel' and 'balance' The Makro Racer rod-mount point is too far to the rear from center, and I noted that on the photos of the pending Nokta Impact. I sure hope they re-do the Impact coil design because the FORS CoRe is very well balanced.

Headphone? No, the Phillips that are in the Pro package are not what I care to use for detecting. We all have different hearing abilities and head and ear sizes so sometimes it is not just the audio quality but the fit of the headset that is important. My personal favorite is the 'tank-style' earcup as used on the Killer B 'Hornet' model and the White's Pro-Star headphones. The 'standard' earcup used on the better quality devices is the same as what is on my two sets of Killer B 'Wasp' headphones.

Both White's and Killer B have Lifetime Warranties on their headphones and my current set-up is using my 'tank' style Pro-Stars as my main-use headphones, and my Miller B 'Wasp' are the 'back-up' headphones. Both work quite well in the FORS CoRe, and even with my impaired hearing the audio qualities are there for me to match the quality performance the detector provides.

Monte

PS: If you have the 'Pro Package' with the smaller 4.[size=small]7[/size]X5.[size=small]2[/size] 'OOR' DD coil, you just might end up using the CoRe and 'OOR' a major percentage of your time afield. That is, if you hunt any very dense trash sites you will, especially if iron littered! The 'OOR' coil in the Di3 Tone mode is a very deadly combination .... and it still provides impressive depth for areas without as much nearby masking trash.

Thanks Monte. No I did not buy the Pro pkg. but will more than likely one day pick up the little coil for sure. I will check out the Killer B headset as well. Thanks for the advice for sure. I may get the Nokta out tomorrow after church to do some scanning on a piece of property we have.

 

[dbado1]

mtsheron,

Looking forward to pics and a review of your thoughts on your new machine.
Good luck!

Dean

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monte. No I did not buy the Pro pkg. but will more than likely one day pick up the little coil for sure. I will check out the Killer B headset as well. Thanks for the advice for sure. I may get the Nokta out tomorrow after church to do some scanning on a piece of property we have.

Yes, you need that little 'OOR' coil.

Best of luck hunting your property. I, like you, am getting ready to head to church, but since we have rain that finally arrived here I'll have to put my detecting on hold. Besides, I need to come home, change, and finish cleaning and unpacking. Much rather be out detecting, but some things have to come first. I should be able to get out to an old town site later this week when the stormy weather passes.

Monte

 

[mtsheron]

Maiden search by the Fors on a piece of property we own. My best find on the property to date has been a .58" musket ball that was heavy with patina. Today was not too bad. Got an unknown metal shoe like piece more than likely off a tractor implement and a few shell casings and a shear bolt from my bush hog last year that sheared off.

I mainly used DI3 mode and the tones were very good. The gruntle sounding junk mode was always true to form and the nice solid tones always produced a non-ferrous object.

Very fun day with my daughter and father.

 

[dbado1]

Thanks for the pic and the update. What fun! i love getting out with the kids.


Dean

 

[greaser]

Glad you got out with it and your kin, as you use it the tones will get better and more recognisable to you ears soon you will be rocking and rolling.

 

[mtsheron]

Glad you got out with it and your kin, as you use it the tones will get better and more recognisable to you ears soon you will be rocking and rolling.

It was a blast even though nothing of any value or interest showed up. I need to bush hog that property to get to the ground. Unfortunately the tractor is having a third valve installed at the dealer and not at my disposal.

 

[mtsheron]

Decided to try the Killer B Wasp Optima headphones. They have the limited lifetime and I think the softer leather cups will be a more comfortable fit. Will update once they come in as to function and quality.

 

[mtsheron]

The Killer B Wasp headphones arrived and I tried them out real quick to see what the sound will be like. The tones and sound are great and I believe the B's will be a great team with the Fors CoRe!