Autotune just covers more area and in most cases goes deeper so heres something to try...We realize this mode just gives one tone but if you get a hit simply click the disc. one time to minimum and it will be in Disc. mode and give you a tone and meter reading. Certainly not recommended for trashy parks but if you are in an old area with little targets may be the difference in getting a nice coin or just missing it in Disc. mode while swinging. Can be done with digital CZ's also but not as easy. Remember it takes patience and expect a lot of iron hits but has produced nice deep silver for me over the years..
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- Thread starter Dan-Pa.
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I was hunting in auto tune mode today at the beach and switching over the 0 discrim when getting a hit. Thing is, one has to remember to either turn down the sensitivity a tab when going back into discrim mode or sweep very slow because when running auto tune with a slight threshold, your sensitivity is up in the 8,9 10 range, and if you switch to discriminate mode and sweep fast or semi-fast, you will get falsing and it may fool you. Go slow and sweep slow at different angles and you will pick up DEEP targets.
Noticed today that almost ALL bottle caps where giving me a low/high tone hits and they sounded very broken and not solid at all like the deep quarters I was hitting.
Was using my CZ-20 that I just got a while back. Boy do I like this unit with the 10.5 coil. Got it mounted under the cuff so it's balanced well, and love that I can hose it down after a salt water hunt and not worry when I lay the machine down in the sand when going after a deep target.
Noticed today that almost ALL bottle caps where giving me a low/high tone hits and they sounded very broken and not solid at all like the deep quarters I was hitting.
Was using my CZ-20 that I just got a while back. Boy do I like this unit with the 10.5 coil. Got it mounted under the cuff so it's balanced well, and love that I can hose it down after a salt water hunt and not worry when I lay the machine down in the sand when going after a deep target.
Therover
When you are hunting in autotune with a slight threshold, are you looking for that little change in threshold (much like I nugget hunting) to find those deeper targets? And when you switch to disc 0 are you still able to get a good repeatable signal? Do you also tend to get a signal from hotrocks?
I hunt with a CZ6 but have not tried hunting in autotune. I'll give it a try next time I'm at the beach.
When you are hunting in autotune with a slight threshold, are you looking for that little change in threshold (much like I nugget hunting) to find those deeper targets? And when you switch to disc 0 are you still able to get a good repeatable signal? Do you also tend to get a signal from hotrocks?
I hunt with a CZ6 but have not tried hunting in autotune. I'll give it a try next time I'm at the beach.
Turtlemna,
When hunting in auto tune, whne there is a threshold change (the faint changes are either small or very deep targets, the loud blaring ones are shallow targets ), is when I then switch to disscrim mode and look for a good, repeatable mid or high tome.
You have to remember that the threshold on a CZ is not very smooth and is more warbled and motorboating then a machine that is threshold based. You don't get that smooth threshold like those machines.
Autotune is a good mode when there are not a lot or targets and you want to move a little faster until you start hitting hot spots.
I would try it next time at the beach. A lot of times I hunt in the reverse too, because when I run my machine hotter, there are a lot of times when the salt sand tricks you or the machine falses some, and I check the target in autotune to make sure there is a metal target down there versus nothing. This method can save you from digging those phantom targets.
When hunting in auto tune, whne there is a threshold change (the faint changes are either small or very deep targets, the loud blaring ones are shallow targets ), is when I then switch to disscrim mode and look for a good, repeatable mid or high tome.
You have to remember that the threshold on a CZ is not very smooth and is more warbled and motorboating then a machine that is threshold based. You don't get that smooth threshold like those machines.
Autotune is a good mode when there are not a lot or targets and you want to move a little faster until you start hitting hot spots.
I would try it next time at the beach. A lot of times I hunt in the reverse too, because when I run my machine hotter, there are a lot of times when the salt sand tricks you or the machine falses some, and I check the target in autotune to make sure there is a metal target down there versus nothing. This method can save you from digging those phantom targets.
Last trip to the beach (two weeks ago) is the first time I tried running the CZ in autotune for anything more than a couple of minutes. In one block long area I was in there were so few targets, I gave it a try for an hour or more. Therover is right about needing to turn down the sensitivity when going back to discriminate. I couldn't run higher than 5 in discriminate without significant falsing on that trip on that beach, but ran up just shy of 9 in autotune.
The CZ ran smooth in autotune over the wet sand. My single frequency detectors frequently do not like to behave well at any reasonable settings in all-metal over the wet sand.
Thanks to Dan for provoking the thoughts and starting this thread!
tvr
The CZ ran smooth in autotune over the wet sand. My single frequency detectors frequently do not like to behave well at any reasonable settings in all-metal over the wet sand.
Thanks to Dan for provoking the thoughts and starting this thread!
tvr
mike from Illinois
New member
my discriminate mode ls deeper than auto tone on my 3d also.
I am glad someone brought that up. I guess i am not the only one. It was the same way on my other 3d. Dankowski said on his forum that i a properly tuned CZ should easily detect a dime at 12'' in auto tune with Vol 10, Sens. 10, Disc. O. I guess we aren't so lucky, but it doesn't matter for me since i never use auto tune anyways.
PhantomHunter
New member
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ken(toronto)
Member
Glad I'm not the only one, my CZ6a also goes deeper on DISC mode than the Autotune mode.
For this reason, I also never use the autotune mode.
Ken
For this reason, I also never use the autotune mode.
Ken
Man! I've always used all metal for beach hunting just like Dan said. I read these posts about disc going deeper than autotune, so I tried it with my "Air Test Box" with my CZ-5. Sure enough, disc did go much deeper than auto tune. I couldn't believe it, but facts is facts.
TheHawg
TheHawg
Hawg...in your test, where did you have the sensitivity setting ?
I feel the same way about the CZ getting more depth in discrim mode, but that is when the sensitivity is up high and I am sweeping slow in order to alleviate the false signals. There are times at the beach when I want to cover ground fairly quickly, and I can't with the CZ juiced up in discrim mode because it will false when sweeping at a more moderate speed. In auto tune, I can sweep faster, cover more ground and find the hot spots. I then turn to discrim mode and slow down. Plus, auto tune puts out a wide, larger signal so that helps in the coverage.
I think both modes have their purposes, but when I want the most depth, I do hunt in discrim.
One last thing. When hunting in discrim mode with the sensitivity juiced up, I always find it beneficial when I get a hit, even a high tone repeatable, to switch and check it in all metal.
Some times on the beach, those high tone ( or mid tone ) hits with sensitivity up high, end up being false signals...most times in the wet sand.
I feel the same way about the CZ getting more depth in discrim mode, but that is when the sensitivity is up high and I am sweeping slow in order to alleviate the false signals. There are times at the beach when I want to cover ground fairly quickly, and I can't with the CZ juiced up in discrim mode because it will false when sweeping at a more moderate speed. In auto tune, I can sweep faster, cover more ground and find the hot spots. I then turn to discrim mode and slow down. Plus, auto tune puts out a wide, larger signal so that helps in the coverage.
I think both modes have their purposes, but when I want the most depth, I do hunt in discrim.
One last thing. When hunting in discrim mode with the sensitivity juiced up, I always find it beneficial when I get a hit, even a high tone repeatable, to switch and check it in all metal.
Some times on the beach, those high tone ( or mid tone ) hits with sensitivity up high, end up being false signals...most times in the wet sand.
therover,
I didn't think of that. Yes, at the beach I hunt at sensitivity of 4 for discrimination, but at 7 for auto tune. I'll have to recheck my findings when I get time. I do love autotune. It does seem to cover a lot more ground.
Hey! I just ordered a new CZ-21. That will be fun.
TheHawg
I didn't think of that. Yes, at the beach I hunt at sensitivity of 4 for discrimination, but at 7 for auto tune. I'll have to recheck my findings when I get time. I do love autotune. It does seem to cover a lot more ground.
Hey! I just ordered a new CZ-21. That will be fun.
TheHawg
ken(toronto)
Member
Something I still don't understand.
Now, if I understand, when hunting at autotune at 9; after finding a target, you switch to DISC to ID it but you have to crank the sensitivity down to 5. What happens if you don't, and just leave the sensitivity at 9? (do your ears get blasted?)
Ken
Now, if I understand, when hunting at autotune at 9; after finding a target, you switch to DISC to ID it but you have to crank the sensitivity down to 5. What happens if you don't, and just leave the sensitivity at 9? (do your ears get blasted?)
Ken
In Disc at high sensitivity you can get false signals. Sometimes lots of them.
Most of the ones I've experienced have been high tone with ID as silver, but sometimes it's mid-tone or bouncing. Frequently a false does not repeat well if at all. If they do repeat and you dig, look for voids in the ground or changes in the texture or color as sometimes a repeatable false is really sounding on a ground change; sometimes it is clearly decayed iron (red streak but no metal left).
As Therover notes, slowing way down can help. I have not run sensitivity higher much than about 6 on my CZ6a in disc mode.
tvr
Most of the ones I've experienced have been high tone with ID as silver, but sometimes it's mid-tone or bouncing. Frequently a false does not repeat well if at all. If they do repeat and you dig, look for voids in the ground or changes in the texture or color as sometimes a repeatable false is really sounding on a ground change; sometimes it is clearly decayed iron (red streak but no metal left).
As Therover notes, slowing way down can help. I have not run sensitivity higher much than about 6 on my CZ6a in disc mode.
tvr
I hunt auto-tune at sensitivity of 7. When I switch to disc. to check the signal, I don't turn the sens. down unless I'm going to hunt in disc. I also have the volume turned up in auto-tune, and I don't turn it down either, unless I'm going to hunt longer in disc. I just deal with the loud volume and the falsing for the short time I'm in disc. to ID the target.
TheHawg
TheHawg
PennyFinder
New member
Apparently the auto tune mode is what you would use for nugget hunting in heavy mineralization where the Gold Bug 2 goes nuts. Just dig all.
Works good for micro jewelry on the salt beach too. (My units are the CZ-5 and CZ-6A)
PennyFinder
Through patients and perseverance a man can pee through a stone.
Works good for micro jewelry on the salt beach too. (My units are the CZ-5 and CZ-6A)
PennyFinder
Through patients and perseverance a man can pee through a stone.