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Florida Beaches...?

Any one know where I can get "educated" on Florida detecting laws? We are heading down in a few and I was planning to do a little "pinging" (as the wife calls my metal detecting) on the beaches. I have heard that Florida has some odd laws concerning public domain, old things, artifacts, and other stuff found in a hole. I am generally very good for a beach since I seem to dig about a dollar's worth of trash for every nickel I find... :) (If the price of pull tabs ever spikes, I'm retiring.)

Thanks
John
 
There are no Florida laws or state statutes that prohibit you from diving with a metal detector. It is true however, that you must stay out of leased sites (see below), and out of some protected habitats with your detector. Additionally, you must abide by Florida law should you find anything on the bottom and recover it. Don't; effective 1 June 2005, the state of Florida did away with the Isolated Finds program. This program gave treasure hunters the opportunity to keep the find as long as they provided the state with the location.

It is now against the law to recover anything in state waters more than 50 years old. As a diver you are responsible for knowing these laws and locations before you dive with your detector. In Florida state waters include all submerged bottom lands to include lakes, rivers and three miles out into the ocean on the East coast, nine miles out on the Gulf Coast, and twelve miles out from Key West.

Inside State parks you are required to get written permission from the Park Ranger before you hunt in the park. However, the State does allow metal detectors in some state parks. Not so with the Fed's! Do not bring your detector into a Florida National park, and that includes any beaches, or waters adjacent to the National Park. For example the Canaveral Seashore National Park is patrolled by park police by land, sea and air, and there boats can out run mine. They have strict orders to keep treasure hunters away.

You can dive on Mel Fisher wrecks on the treasure coast if you so desire. However, be advised that you should not have a metal detector in the lease sites, and you must stay 300 feet away from the dive boats that are working the leases, and don't bring the detector within 3,000 yards (while in the water) of the GPS coordinates listed below.

There are no private beaches in the State of Florida (other than the National Parks), and you are allowed to hunt the beaches from the Dune to the low tide line as you desire, and that includes the beaches adjacent to the 1715 fleet of Spanish shipwrecks. The rule on the beach is finders keepers, so don't let any beachside Condo owners or Hotel operators try to run you off, as they do not own the beach, the people of Florida own the beaches.

A note of caution while hunting on the beach at night, starting in May - October it is turtle nesting season, and artificial lighting is forbidden on the beach, especially in Brevard and Indian River County?s, help us protect our endangered and protected wildlife.

BENT ANCHOR S32G 27.55.7N X 80.29.12W; East to 27.55.7N X 80.28.57W; South-southeast to 27.53.28N X 80.27.24W; West to 27.53.28N X 80.27.68W; then follow the mean low tide line to point of beginning.
CABIN WRECK S27 27.49.8N X 80.25.55W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of mean low tide line.
DOUGLAS BEACH S26 27.25.3N X 80.16.50W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
POWER PLANT S25 27.21.2N X 80.13.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
ANCHOR WRECK S23 27.48.2N X 80.24.70W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
SPRING OF WHITBY S23 27.46.0N X 80.23.83W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
RIO MAR S23 27.38.3N X 80.20.90W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
SANDY POINT S23 27.35.8N X 80.19.65W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
UNKNOWN S23 27.19.0N X 80.12.30W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
CORRIGANS WRECK S25 27.46.2N X 80.22.67W is the center point of a 3,000 yard radius excluding all land west of the mean low tide line.
 
Nope. Sorry. All Florida beaches are closed to metal detecting. You should try someplace else.

;):razz:;)
 
Smudge said:
Nope. Sorry. All Florida beaches are closed to metal detecting. You should try someplace else.

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Whew, i must of squeeked that last ring out just before they closed 'em! :rofl:
 
Powerdetecting you are mislead ding people. There is laws about MD in Fla. ,You just have to know were to look . State Parks have there own laws. You can not hunt in any state park in the water. You can hunt state Parks beach from the toe of the water to the Dunes.State Parks that are land locked you need permission.

Private Beaches, Most beaches in FL. are Private, but the owners have sighed papers with there counties opening it to the public . ( the county clean the beaches )

Artifacts; 99.9% of all artifacts in Fl. is made out of wood,clay or shell. All coins belong to the Federal Gov. not the State of FL. know matter how old it is!

Leases; all leases from Jupiter out 1500 yards. have been dissolved by the State of FL. opening the beaches to hobbyist ( people with MD )

I have been hunting in FL . for over 35 years. Laws change from County to County, State Laws change from each and every dept. with in the State.
 
what I pasted was from the Florida laws I didnt type any of that it came straight from the source. Also what you said is about what it says in my post just not word for word.
 
controlfreq, I fear that any answer you may get to your question, will be the type answers culled from decades of people asking bureaucrats, and answers given back because ........ doh ..... they asked. I mean for example: "lost & found" laws apply in every state, that's nothing new. But a simple look at any beach hunters finds forum shows you ample of us hobbyists find rings and such all the time, right? Do you really think they're all rushing down the police lost & found to turn them in? Those laws were born out of wandering cattle laws in the 1800s, and certainly can be used to prohibit someone who scoops up wads when a Brinks armored car door swings open, from saying "finders keepers". So .... yeah, I suppose if you asked long enough and hard enough, of enough lawyers and bureucrats, sure, it applies to your "pressing question" too.

Other such answers like cultural heritage things (can't keep items over 50 yrs. old), also predate metal detecting. I mean, sure, does anyone really think we can raid historic monument for our own fun and profit? And sure, arbitrary date/age cutoffs are given, way back when these laws were enacted (as I say, before detectors came about). And sure, if you ask long enough and hard enough, someone will say you can't keep the 1959 memorial penny you just found. But ........ did anyone really care less? (till you asked?). I mean, c'mon.

Or the dreaded "alterations" "digging" and "defacement" verbage. Those too are age-old verbage so no one thinks they can go to the beach and start harvesting the sand, or removing trees and swingsets, blah blah blah. But could they apply to digging a small divot for a coin? SURE (if you ask long enough and hard enough). So too could they be applied to say "no", if you ask enough bureaucrats if your 6 yr. old daughter can pick up seashells on the beach too. But again, did anyone really care if your 6 yr. old daughter picked up the seashell? No, of course not.

So the bottom line is, whenever a question like yours comes up: "Is it legal to detect in such & such place", someone else will invariably come on with a variety of "no" type answers, all of which were borne out of the seemingly innocent method of asking. And you know what the easy answer is.

There is a particular federal beach in CA, where rumor had it, amongst md'rs, dating back to the 1970s, that it was "off limits". No doubt, info that gets fed into the network of md'rs over the years, starting from way-back-when when someone asked "can I?" The odd thing is, that after decades, it's just simply taken as fact, in the md'ing community (afterall, if you look long enough and hard enough, i'm sure there's cultural heritage things you can find in the verbage, or perhaps an isolated booting decades ago, etc....). Then one day, a beginner md'r, who simply didn't know any better, went to detect that beach. Imagine his delight when he found the sands to be practically virgin! Hundreds of coins per day, as fast as he could dig (and a sprinkling of jewelry some days too). He simply couldn't understand why the "locals weren't all over this". Eventually, he began to make friends and meet others in the hobby. One of them, upon hearing where he was md'ing, told him "but I thought that was illegal to detect there". The beginner md'r simply couldn't believe it. He had been there for weeks-on-end, in full view of anyone and every (yup, right in front manned lifeguard towers, etc...) and no one cared less! Even after hearing from this long-time md'r, the newbie had half a mind to just continue, as it was painfully apparent that no one cared. Moral of the story?

All I'm trying to say is, take the answers you will get, to such a question as yours, into context. Because you/we can always find ourselves a "no", if you ask enough people far enough up the ladder, with enough key buzzwords. Not saying some places are truly enforced or truly care. Perhaps some do (obvious historic landmarks, obvious wrecks under lease, etc...).
 
Tom, just try detecting on Canaveral seashore and see what happens!!! Heck, I'll even run the video camera.
 
Sure, but your question/comment fails to ask WHY IS IT THAT WAY, to begin with?

Your type answer (to simply cite a place that is "off-limits") is often time the knee-jerk reaction to what I wrote. The bewildered person, like yourself, responds by quoting a law, or a place with enforcement. They think that is counter evidence that I'm not taking a serious enough stance on grovelling for answers, permission, etc....

But your comment fails to go back far enough, to ask yourself WHY that is, to begin with. Don't you get it? The mere fact that "Canaveral" may, in fact, have rangers or whatever "appraised" to boot people (or even arrest persons, or whatever) was no doubt born of persons, years or decades ago, that went and asked "can I?" And then, gee, "I guess we better address this pressing issue". They pass out a "no". Then guess what happens when they see another md'r out there (whom perhaps before, they'd never have paid second mind to previously)? They remember the earlier inquiry, and start booting others! I'm assuming, of course, that Canaveral is open to the public for other uses, right? (swimming, walking, sunbathing, etc..., right?).

So what you're saying may be true right NOW, but it fails to ask, how it started. And as I conceded at the end of my post, yes, there is indeed places where logic dictates you shouldn't go (obvious historic monuments, etc...)
 
No, it was born of it being a part of the Cape Canaveral launch facility and base and they're mighty touchy about that place. They allow swimming on a small part of it and that's it. Been that way since the beginning of the space program.

Then we barely avoided a whole lot more off limits places when some idiots tore up a bunch of state and county property last year going for Indian artifacts and left a large despoiled area, even left some of their shovels next to the holes. If it hadn't been for a very large outcry from detectorists there could have been some of the most restrictive laws in the nation in place because of some idiots. As it was written it could have even covered private property. It was NOT because somebody asked. Then we have a county that banned it on public lands because of the mess some fools were creating, NOT because somebody asked. We also have a city that banned it on city properties because the current mayor has a thing against detectorists on a personal level and despite efforts no one can get it overturned yet.

On the leases that the treasure salvors were working if you set foot in the water they would have the law on you in a minute as they patrolled it constantly themselves and you not asking would just cost you a heavy fine and the loss of all your gear. This was because at that point you were trespassing a claim and a darn valuable one at that. Ever tried jumping a gold claim to detect? Same idea.
 
Ok yes, I don't doubt there are some places that are off-limits, simply because of military or security type things. Like, yes, the space launches, or military bases area after 9/11, or because of obvious sensitive historic monuments, etc... that didn't need silly people asking "can I?". Yes, those areas do exist, and didn't "become that way" because of our own "pressing questions" that begged for an answer. I'll grant you that.

But you to, I hope, see that there are other vast areas (parks, beaches, etc....) that the ONLY reason they are off-limits, is because someone went in, (to kiosks, govt. bureaucrats, etc...) a decade or two ago, asking "can I?". I've seen this first hand, where places that no one ever gave thought to, that .... presto "no you can't". Why? Because you asked afterall. What the percentage of each scenario is, I don't know. They both exist.

Oh, and the places that say "no because of holes". The knee-jerk reaction amongst us md'rs is "durned those people who left holes". While some of those could be legit (ie.: someone that really did make a mess and leave it), yet I bet there's other times, that this answer ("holes") is just the mental image on the part of the person giving you the answer (so they just say that, to deflect your objections). When in fact, if you pressed them, they really don't have an incident. Or even if they did, the ONLY reason they brought it up (to give you their "no" answer), is .... because you asked! So while I'm not saying leaving holes is a good idea (it's not), I'm saying that that, alone, is often time not the reason for off-limits sites. It's merely the answer given to the "pressing question", when persons go in grovelling, thinking they needed sanction or permission.
 
The "holes" in question were covered by the local and state news, with pictures. Believe me it was no knee jerk reaction but wholesale stupidity on some peoples part. One of the sites that was probably folks after Indian artifacts even appear to have used a back hoe and high banking gear after they got started.

Yes, there are knee jerk politicians at work but just jumping in on a property can also cause troubles. We have a local club that's becoming a problem as some of them jump on construction sites on weekends without permission. How do you think that makes the foreman, owner and crew think of us when a few of the crew show up and find them on site. I know because we ask. Their opinion of detectorists is pretty low and it's hurting all of us.
 
In all probability, a lot of the problem stems from the MD community being such a small politically disparate demographic. Hunting and fishing is regulated but still allowed in certain public areas with the proper permits; politicians have to be careful in overly regulating these areas because a LOT of people across all "walks of life" participate. For metal detecting, it is just too simple for a bureaucrat to eliminate the problem by simply banning the activity. When is the last time you heard of fishing banned in a popular area because one or two people were caught fishing w/o a license. (If you really are interested in how much environmental damage fishermen and boaters contribute then take up SCUBA diving and witness the trash yourself.)

The other side is just pure ignorance of what conscientious MD contribute. In even my limited exposure to the hobby, I have found fishhooks and other dangerous man made metal objects in playgrounds and beaches where children play. But I suppose if I don't find anything else in a hunt, if I pull a dangerous object out of a playground that a child could get hurt on, then it was a productive hunt.

JMHO
John
 
... and thanks to all of you that responded. There is a lot of useful info here now.

Thank you.
John
 
Yes I see your point that fishing has effects of trampling shores, leaving fishooks and line snagged on the lake bottoms, and other such damages.

However, One unfortunate difference, between "fishing" and "metal detecting", is that fish are a continually renewing resource. The fish re-populate continuously. But with metal detecting, one of the BIG reasons you'll read about (up there next to the dreaded "holes" issue), is "cultural heritage" concerns. You know the drill: that you might find something culturally significant "rip it from its context" and destroy future generation's knowledge of their past, etc..... That's where the silly arbitrary age/date cutoff bologna of "50" or "100" yr. old stuff comes from.

Even if you are strictly on a beach, where you're only angling for modern jewelry, yet any archie can still claim this fear (and it is, afterall, possible you'll find something old afterall). And those old coins and artifacts are not self-renewing, as fish are. So in that regard, we can never compare ourselves to fishing.

Oh, and I'm not siding with that archie argument, by the way. I think those old artifacts look JUST FINE on my mantle place. And no, I'm not depriving the future folks from enjoying and seeing their past. If they want to see it, they can come over to my house, and observe it on my mantle place anytime. Or they can bid on the things I put on ebay, haha ;)
 
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