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fisher f2/minelab x terra 30
- Thread starter goldfox
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Lets be honest. The xt-30 costs $400 and the F2 is $200. No detector is perfect. I had an XT-30 and it was a fine detector. The thing that I miss most about it was the volume control. But I had some problems with pinpointing. I really don't know why? The grip was at an uncomfortable angle for me. I found myself with the control head pressed against my hand all the time for comfort. I guess I could have bent the mount for better comfort. Again it is a good detector. While swinging it I caught wind of the Ace 250. I followed the posts for 6 months seeing if it was hype. It appeared it was not hype and I purchased one. I found that I used this detector over my others. At first I was hesitant to buy what some called a cheapie begginers detector. But it wasn't! I sold the Xt30. To tell the truth I used Whites for over 20 years and thought they were all that. But then I opened my mind and started using other brands. I have found that all major brands make really nice detectors. Some more specific than others. But what I'm saying is try something different. Some people said 3 years ago that Garrett was building cheap detectors and they were nasty yellow too! If I would have listened to all that crap I never would have tried one. Fast forward now - The same trash talk is surrounding the "new" Fishers. Do I listen - heck no. I bought a F2 and it's a hot little detector. Lighter than the 250 and xt30. Not coil heavy - very light. It has a faster target response than the 250 and xterra. Has 0-99 numbers. 4 tone ID. Comes with an extra coil and lower rod for $199.00! I have grown to really like it. If we get more companies in these detector wars we all win! What will others come up with now? Who knows.
lessthanzero
New member
I am a HUGE Minelab X-Terra fan, not a lot to dislike about them, built well and lightweight. I have been following the ACE 250, and now the Fisher F2 with great interest, and hoping that the price point established by Garrett and now by Fisher is just the tip of the new breed of detectors. We get more for less with better technology. OK Minelab, Whites. Bounty Hunter and all the others, step up to the plate and show us what you can give us for $200 bucks............
Mick in Dubbo
New member
Something that may be of interest to you Kenny. I recently adapted the Ace's shallow pinpointing method to the X-Terra 30, and found that my good to bad target recoveries jumped by a fair bit; now about 90% coins to 10% rubbish. It also solved the pinpoint accuracy problem that I was also suffering from when pinpointing the X-Terra. I know what you mean. I got so frustrated with it, that I bought a Pocket UniProbe to compensate for it. Mind you, I think that the unit I had was a dud. Got Minelab to replace it.
The F2 looks like an interesting machine. I just might allow my arm to be twisted so that one may find it's way to my place. I might hold off a little' as I bought another detector only a few months back, so I don't want to upset the other half too much with another detector to trip over in the house.
Mick Evans.
The F2 looks like an interesting machine. I just might allow my arm to be twisted so that one may find it's way to my place. I might hold off a little' as I bought another detector only a few months back, so I don't want to upset the other half too much with another detector to trip over in the house.
Mick Evans.
Neil in West Jersey
New member
[quote khouse] If we get more companies in these detector wars we all win! What will others come up with now? Who knows.[/quote]
[size=large]Maybe I am just being selfish, but the way I see it is that these relatively inexpensive detectors will cause problems in the long run. There was a time that the least expensive detectors cost $300 and up. You needed to be serious about trying the hobby. Now it has become an impusle buy. The detectors are being sold in places like Sports Authority and Dicks. It seems this new breed of weekend warriors dont feel the need to follow the Metal Detector's Credo. I am constantly going to sites where holes are left unfilled, and cans and other previously buried trash is haphazardly left on the surface. I now see "No Metal Detecting" signs where once there were no restrictions.
Do we need really need a $200 detector that does it all? IMHO, units with these features should be in the $350 to $400 range.[/size]
[size=large]Maybe I am just being selfish, but the way I see it is that these relatively inexpensive detectors will cause problems in the long run. There was a time that the least expensive detectors cost $300 and up. You needed to be serious about trying the hobby. Now it has become an impusle buy. The detectors are being sold in places like Sports Authority and Dicks. It seems this new breed of weekend warriors dont feel the need to follow the Metal Detector's Credo. I am constantly going to sites where holes are left unfilled, and cans and other previously buried trash is haphazardly left on the surface. I now see "No Metal Detecting" signs where once there were no restrictions.
Do we need really need a $200 detector that does it all? IMHO, units with these features should be in the $350 to $400 range.[/size]
I understand what your saying but the big stores have been selling $200 and under detectors for years. I don't see that Garrett, Whites, Minelab, Tesoro or Fisher will be selling through them in the future. Whites used to sell through Sears and I believe Garrett sells to Kellyco under a different name. Tesoro built some Troys. First texas sells the Bounty Hunters. I just like getting more detector for less. With the economy down and the detector market is really small compared to other products the next two years may be bleak?
[quote Neil in West Jersey][quote khouse] If we get more companies in these detector wars we all win! What will others come up with now? Who knows.[/quote]
[size=large]Maybe I am just being selfish, but the way I see it is that these relatively inexpensive detectors will cause problems in the long run. There was a time that the least expensive detectors cost $300 and up. You needed to be serious about trying the hobby. Now it has become an impusle buy. The detectors are being sold in places like Sports Authority and Dicks. It seems this new breed of weekend warriors dont feel the need to follow the Metal Detector's Credo. I am constantly going to sites where holes are left unfilled, and cans and other previously buried trash is haphazardly left on the surface. I now see "No Metal Detecting" signs where once there were no restrictions.
Do we need really need a $200 detector that does it all? IMHO, units with these features should be in the $350 to $400 range.[/size][/quote]
Neil, I found your generalization to be a bit on the snobbish and downright offensive side... very selfish... very selfish, indeed!! Were it not for the availability of a decent $200 detector, I would have never been able to afford to enjoy the hobby!!! I'm sure that I'm not the only decent person with a shallow pocketbook either!! And, not everyone who has a $200 detector (as you imply) falls into the "screw it up for everyone" category!!!! My brother has been detecting for about 10 years. Over that time, he has seen young and old alike who would dig holes, not cover them up, leave trash that they found, metal detect without permission, and so on.... and many of them armed with expensive metal detectors.
Metal detecting should not be a club comprised of snobbish snoots who decide that only the wealthy can have membership at a successful, enjoyable level!!! There are enough country clubs and lodges for that!! And, the pricetag of the detector is not at all a guarantee of how you will "play the game!!"
I understand your frustration with people who do not adhere to a "code of ethics," or "list of rules of how to play the game." And, I know many of them don't give a rat's butt about them! But, there are those who simply don't know any better. Not everyone is endowed with the level of common sense that you and I have!!
So, instead of excluding newbies from the fun of metal detecting by making the tools of the trade beyond their financial reach, I have a couple of suggestions. First, the next time you are out metal detecting and you find holes that were left uncovered... cover them up!! If you find trash left behind... pick it up!! If you see a detectorist doing something he/she shouldn't, go over to him/her and politely point out what they are doing wrong!! Don't approach them and say something along the lines of "Hey dumb-a$$..." Be nice!! Finally, try to help educate new detectorists (and many of the older ones too) as to our "code of ethics," and maybe help them to learn how to be more successful with their new device!!
Of course, these suggestions are made with the assumption that you are genuinely concerned for the future of metal detecting. It is my hope that this the case and not that you are jealous of the fact that folks are now able to purchase a good detector for a few to several hundred dollars less than yours may have cost. I am also hoping that your spouting is not an allergic reaction to the competition that you now have from a "cheap" detector!!!
Robert
[size=large]Maybe I am just being selfish, but the way I see it is that these relatively inexpensive detectors will cause problems in the long run. There was a time that the least expensive detectors cost $300 and up. You needed to be serious about trying the hobby. Now it has become an impusle buy. The detectors are being sold in places like Sports Authority and Dicks. It seems this new breed of weekend warriors dont feel the need to follow the Metal Detector's Credo. I am constantly going to sites where holes are left unfilled, and cans and other previously buried trash is haphazardly left on the surface. I now see "No Metal Detecting" signs where once there were no restrictions.
Do we need really need a $200 detector that does it all? IMHO, units with these features should be in the $350 to $400 range.[/size][/quote]
Neil, I found your generalization to be a bit on the snobbish and downright offensive side... very selfish... very selfish, indeed!! Were it not for the availability of a decent $200 detector, I would have never been able to afford to enjoy the hobby!!! I'm sure that I'm not the only decent person with a shallow pocketbook either!! And, not everyone who has a $200 detector (as you imply) falls into the "screw it up for everyone" category!!!! My brother has been detecting for about 10 years. Over that time, he has seen young and old alike who would dig holes, not cover them up, leave trash that they found, metal detect without permission, and so on.... and many of them armed with expensive metal detectors.
Metal detecting should not be a club comprised of snobbish snoots who decide that only the wealthy can have membership at a successful, enjoyable level!!! There are enough country clubs and lodges for that!! And, the pricetag of the detector is not at all a guarantee of how you will "play the game!!"
I understand your frustration with people who do not adhere to a "code of ethics," or "list of rules of how to play the game." And, I know many of them don't give a rat's butt about them! But, there are those who simply don't know any better. Not everyone is endowed with the level of common sense that you and I have!!
So, instead of excluding newbies from the fun of metal detecting by making the tools of the trade beyond their financial reach, I have a couple of suggestions. First, the next time you are out metal detecting and you find holes that were left uncovered... cover them up!! If you find trash left behind... pick it up!! If you see a detectorist doing something he/she shouldn't, go over to him/her and politely point out what they are doing wrong!! Don't approach them and say something along the lines of "Hey dumb-a$$..." Be nice!! Finally, try to help educate new detectorists (and many of the older ones too) as to our "code of ethics," and maybe help them to learn how to be more successful with their new device!!
Of course, these suggestions are made with the assumption that you are genuinely concerned for the future of metal detecting. It is my hope that this the case and not that you are jealous of the fact that folks are now able to purchase a good detector for a few to several hundred dollars less than yours may have cost. I am also hoping that your spouting is not an allergic reaction to the competition that you now have from a "cheap" detector!!!
Robert
Neil in West Jersey
New member
Oh boy...I dug myself a big hole with these comments!!! Well, I guess I was just airing my own frustrations! I must say I honestly love my ACE250, and actually ended up selling my $850 unit!!! I am also interested in trying the new F2.
So I guess I shouldnt be complaining, Just a bad day out following a careless newby left a sour taste in my mouth! I appologize for my comments. I guess I should follow the credo myself and be "an ambassador to the hobby".
Happy Holdays everyone!
So I guess I shouldnt be complaining, Just a bad day out following a careless newby left a sour taste in my mouth! I appologize for my comments. I guess I should follow the credo myself and be "an ambassador to the hobby".
Happy Holdays everyone!
Neil in West Jersey said:
Apology accepted, Neil!!! And, thank you for it!!
I am sorry to hear that you had such a lousy day behind someone like that. But, I am glad to see that you are genuinely concerned about the future of metal detecting; instead of one who is jealous of the competition from the lesser priced machines!
As I stated before, I fully understand your frustration with those who don't "do right!!" Around here, fishing in most of the privetly owned ponds (something I have always enjoyed doing) has been virtually stopped because of people who would fish without permission, over fish the ponds, destroy fences, leave gates open, and leave trash, fishiing line, hooks, and such behind. So as I said, I do understand your frustration!!
I hope that you and everyone else here has a Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert
Uncle Willy
New member
Yeah detecting has become a fad or the latest Yuppie trend anymore with folks thinking it's the "in" thing to do, and the far reaching power of the internet only compounds the situation. I see messes everywhere and giant holes dug in bark chips and left for some kid to step in and break a leg.. The hobby will be ruined if it keeps up. I don't mind inexpensive machines, just that the owners learn how to use them properly. Course jacking the price up would weed out a lot of the impulse buyers.
Bill
Bill
Uncle Willy
New member
Yeah I hear you on the prime fishing spots. Back when I done a whole lot of it I ran into those problems all the time. THere were a couple of farm ponds out here that people were given permission to fish in and the fishing was fabulous, nice bass, big fat bluegill. Then the cruds started pouring in and soon the "NO TRESPASSING" signs went up and it was all gone. You give some folks enough rope and they'll hang everybody.
Bill
Bill
Uncle Willy
New member
Most every manufacturer sells "Private Label" detectors. White used to sell their's under a slew of different names and in a slew of different places. Tesoro had several and for awhile made one for Kellyco. The Reale detectors of sometime back were Tesoros. The Predator detectors at Kellyco are the Garret Treasure Ace series in disguise. Bounty Hunters are sold all over under a slew of different names. I have one called the "Prospector" sold by Big 5 Sporting Goods. I bought it on a whim because it was on sale dirt cheap and I wanted to try it out ( field testing is my game ). It really ain't much of a detector,made of tin with a cardboard faceplate with the letters ( hardly legible ) rubber stamped on and a coil that looks like a toy. I'm going to put it up for sale soon for about $75 or so. It's okay for a beginner to cut their teeth on and see if they will like the hobby
Bill(OR).
Bill(OR).
Uncle Willy
New member
Is it round or elliptic? Most elliptics ( like on the 250 ) pinpoint like a DD, off the tip of the coil or the receiver.
Bill
Bill
Uncle Willy
New member
Yeah the 250 is the most sold detector out there and still selling like hotcakes, and for good reason. A lot of oldtimers like me have parked their big bucks machines and hunt with the 250. If the F2 is half as good then it will be another choice.
Bill
Bill
Mick in Dubbo
New member
The standard coil on the X-Terra is a 9 in round concentric coil. The pinpoint graphic would have you to try and locate the target with the centre of the coil, but doing that will be inaccurate. Instead, I slide the coil toward myself and use the 12 o'clock position on the receive coil (inner coil). The VCO gives some target info, and the slide come signal fade, gives you the same target info that the Ace does.
Mick Evans.
Mick Evans.
