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first time having a rig serviced

Herb Jones

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i have a few tesoros...but they were all used when i purchased them. if i sent them to the factory for a check up, should i send along the coils I use on them, and specify which coils are primarily used, and what type if hunting I am doing? would they tune for a specific coil or for a range if coils? do the coils need to be checked as well?... whats a typical turn around time?... .
 
They can only be tuned to one coil so pick the one you use the most.
 
I heard that the non-ground balance or fixed GB Tesoro models need to have their coil/s tuned. The manual GB units don't necessarily need to have the coils tuned to them.
 
You might want to call Tesoro service dept. They should be able to answer all your questions direct.
 
I had planned on doing just that when they open on Monday, just thought I'd glean a little knowledge here in the mean time.
 
I had a uMax tuned up and sent it in with the original white 8" donut coil. They called and told me that the coil was out of spec. and they could tune it to that coil or sell me a new one. I bought a brown 8" and they tuned it to that one. I asked if I could still use my 5,75 on the machine ok and they said yes that it wouldn't be off enough with that coil to matter. Hope this helps.
 
Depends on which detector.
If it's a factory set GB machine then yes you have to have it tuned to the coil. Manual GB machines, you don't need to. But I would send in the coil you use most with it and they will check that one over too.
You're sending in $50 anyway so might as well have the coil checked/retuned if needed. Usually will be covered in the cost of the $50 you sent in as long as your detector isn't totally messed up and needing alot of parts.
What machine are you sending in?
 
Oh OK. When you say gen 1, you mean the non umax design?
As far as the LST I'd send in the elliptical if that's the one you use the most.
I can't recall if the eldorado model you have if it's the non umax has GB or not.
 
metal eldorado with 10 turn ground balance and stock football shaped coil
 
Well unless they made the elliptical in 5 pin at one point which I don't recall, you have a 5 pin eldorado and a 4 pin elliptical widescan. The 4 pin fits the Lobo

Which unit are you sending in?
 
Sometimes we will read that a Tesoro and coils have been sent to the Tesoro factory service department to be 'calibrated.' This is just another term that can refer to having the metal detector 'tuned' for the search coil and there are a few things to consider here, and I'll try to explain in my answers to your questions below.


Herb Jones said:
i have a few tesoros...but they were all used when i purchased them.
I have been using Tesoro's for almost 34 years now, acquiring some brand new and most of them used. I always try to use caution when buying a used detector of any make from anyone to feel comfortable that the unit is in good working order, has the 'standard' coil it would have been sold with, and whenever possible, I like to do some hands-on handling first to check them out. In this day and age, so many are sold via internet sales we don't get the opportunity to do that.

I very seldom have bought or traded for a Tesoro that needed factory service unless it had a broken part. I also try to check any Tesoro with an assortment of search coils I have on-hand for it to be certain the search coils seem to be working properly, and also to make sure the detector and coil are 'calibrated' or 'tuned' for peak performance. Here are two things to be aware of:

1.. In order to make sure the detector and search coil can provide you with peak performance, the search coil must be "in spec," and that means that there is no damage or defect with the coil internally and that the coil itself is within the proper tolerance and designed specifications. If so, then you can continue checking for functional performance. NOTE: If a search coil does not check out correctly to be in serviceable condition, there's no need to continue with it until it is repaired or replaced.

2.. A proper 'calibration' or 'tuning' refers to having the most functional or proper Ground Balance setting. With Tesoro models this falls into one of two categories of Ground Balance design:

Manual Ground Balanced models: Observing the three Tesoro models you have listed in your signature, you have two models that provide you, the operator, the ability to manually adjust the Ground Balance in an All Metal mode with the Vaquero and original Eldorado, and with these models the Discriminate mode has a GB reference off the All Metal mode's GB setting. Thus, if you have a properly functioning search coil, or set of search coils, then you can easily do the proper GB for any of the coils functional on that model. Once the GB is properly adjusted, you have the best 'calibration' or 'tuning' for that detector and coil.

You then have the opportunity to change to any other size, shape or type of coil that is designed for that model and adjust the Ground Balance for best performance afield.

Factory Present Ground Balanced models: All Tesoro models that rely on an internally preset Disc. mode GB are supplied with a standard coil they have already been 'tuned' or 'calibrated' with. At that point, the specific detector model, in this case your Lobo SuperTRAQ, has only had a proper GB 'calibration' or 'tuning' adjustment for that one specific search coil. Can you use other search coils designed for that particular model? Yes. Will all of them work properly? That is unknown, unless you have had that specific detector and those specific coils all checked out and the internal GB then 'tuned' / 'calibrated' to at least be functional with all the assigned search coils.

Once all coils a person has for a factory preset model have been checked and the internal GB trimmer tweaked to a workable setting for them to be functional, they might be anywhere from a nearly perfect or 'spot-on' GB setting to a somewhat more 'positive' GB setting simply due to the variance in tolerances between each of the search coils. This is one reason why I personally prefer to assign one search coil, only, to any factory preset model in my arsenal, and make sure I have tweaked the GB for that unit and that one specific search coil so that it is 'tuned' / 'calibrated' to handle the more challenging ground mineral environments I am likely to work it at.

That's why my personal preference is to keep one or more Tesoro's in my detector battery that have a Manual GB control so that I am able to set any search coil I mount to them for the absolute peak performance achievable, in any ground mineral condition. In my case, the more versatile and controllable models I own and use are my manually Ground Balanced Bandido II [size=small]micro[/size]MAX and Vaquero.


Herb Jones said:
if i sent them to the factory for a check up, should i send along the coils I use on them, and specify which coils are primarily used, and what type if hunting I am doing?
Yes, I would encourage you to send them ALL of the search coils you have, especially since you acquired them used and don't know if they have endured abuse from abrupt banging, or if they are not the actually coil supplied with that model.

No, they don't need to know what type of hunting you are doing and any type of hunting van take place in a wide-range of ground mineral environments. You can control that with the original Eldorado if the coils are in very good functional condition, but the Lobo ST coils ought to be checked and then it needs to have the internal GB 'tuned' for the coils you have for it.

They don't need to know which coils you will primarily use on a model if you change coils, because you can adjust for them with the Eldorado, or they will have the GB set to compensate for any variances in the assortment of coils you send them for it.


Herb Jones said:
would they tune for a specific coil or for a range if coils?
They should first • 1.. check all of the search coils to ensure that they are all 'in-spec' and functioning properly. Then using the preset Lobo ST and all of the search coils you have for it then can • 2.. adjust the internal trimmer to a setting that will be workable with all of the search coils. One might be close to 'spot-on' and others might be just slightly positive or negative of that setting, but still functioning OK without any falsing over more challenging ground mineral conditions.


Herb Jones said:
do the coils need to be checked as well?
Yes, to make sure they are all 'in-spec.'


Herb Jones said:
whats a typical turn around time?
In the past 6-7 months I have had an original bandido [size=small](broken battery clip & wire)[/size], Bandido II µMAX [size=small](broken Threshold pot shaft housing)[/size], and Vaquero [size=small](brand new but in for a high-tone modification)[/size] delivered back to me within 2 weeks from the date I sent them in. Note, however, that I always ship things off Priority Mail to expedite delivery time.


Herb Jones said:
metal eldorado with 10 turn ground balance and stock football shaped coil
The original Eldorado, produced from 11/'86 to 4/'91, was supplied with a thicker-body round 8½" Double-D [size=small](Tesoro called them Wide-Scan)[/size]. I was a Tesoro Dealer back then and I can not ever remember an elliptical [size=small]("football shaped")[/size] search coil ever being a 'stock' or 'standard' coil. Buying it used it was likely supplied with a different coil than it came standard with.

This is another reason to make sure all coils go back as it is possible it is not the proper search coil for that detector, and I would even question of it was serviceable and 'in-specification,' which is something they will check for you.

If you have any specific questions, I would welcome a PM or an e-mail. My address is shown below.

Monte
 
coil that came on the LST, which I thought/assumed was original...., but the rig has years on it and , this is perhaps not the original 10" eliptical widescan... either way its what will be sent along for testing/calibration.
 
I currently have 5 Tesoro/Laser machine,most are very old ie Laser B1/B3 these are based on the Bandido machines but adapted for the UK market,the B1 does have manual GB,but my B3 and Silver Sabre 11 do not,but have never had the need to send them back for calibrating to the UK service dept,only combination i was worried about was when i added the 10.6'' white concentric polo to the B3 which is fixed GB but it does work very well and as yet has never let me down.

Then i get onto the only new 'Tesoro' based machine which i have had for just over 12 months its the Laser Trident11 Extreme which is based on the original Tesoro Vaquero but has been breathed upon by the UK service dept this comes with the 11x8'' WS coil on and not only has manual GB but also fixed GB,although the best option of course is manual GB.If i am honest i never really liked the 11x8 coil although that is how it was supplied by Tesoro,the detector never really got me excited as much as it should have done,so basically sat in the coner gathering dust,but a few months back i bought the Nel Snake(Cors Shrew same coil) 6,5''x3.5'' + or -,and this has been on the detector since i bought it and this i envisage will stay on the detector especially for trashy sites and when the crops come off ie getting in between the stubble rows.

So currently the main machine from the Tesoro/Laser stable and the newest machine is the Trident11 Extreme with the Nel Snake coil on it,as its a aftermarket coil one does have trepidations if it will work perfectly with the detector without it being re-calibrated,but as the machine has manual GB then it does not have any issues with not only a different coil but another brand make as well.

Must admit that all the detectors that i own and use and the large array of coils that i also own must admit i have never sent any back for calibration.infact have never had to send a machine back for repairs full stop.

Only machine that possibly may have needed re-calibrating is one of my mint condition Arado120b machines that must be 30+ years old,but that will never happen as the company has basically shut down since the owner passed away,but its still works but it can drift a little so needs manual adjustments every so often,but even with just a 8'' coil on it can still out perform some modern day machines.
 
Yes, that elliptical DD was likely the original coil on your Lobo ST as you show, however, below you stated this:

Herb Jones said:
[color=#FF4500b]metal eldorado with 10 turn ground balance and stock football shaped coil[/b][/color]

and THAT was why I questioned the standard coil you got on your Eldorado, because you said it was the Eldorado with the stock "football shaped' search coil.

Monte
 
yeah i caught that almost immediately, but failed to edit it... i often only can see my mistakes until after ii hit send/post... probably all the paint chips i ate as a child.
 
My machines I've sent in have come back in perfect working order.
Most all the coils needed retuning and one rebuilt.
 
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