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First old coin

harryhh

Member
Hi All,

I'm brand new to metal detecting, and I just wanted to let everyone know that yesterday I found my first old coin with the CTX 3030. Can you imagine starting out metal detecting with a CTX? ( It's my sister's)

The coin is a 1901 Liberty Head nickel. After cleaning with water and a toothbrush, at first I thought the coin was in pretty bad shape. Seemed very flat and was hard to tell what it was. But this morning I'm looking at it again, and it has a rim all the way around. There is a small dent on one side, and what looks like a small new mark at the edge. I must have hit it with my trowel. It's very dull in color. I'll spend some time investigating how to clean coins without damage. On the newer coins that I've been finding, no older than the mid 60's, I've been using softscrub to clean a few of them. Probably not a good idea for my old coin.
 
Congrats Harry!
 
Thanks GKMan.

It was an interesting find. There was a piece of what looked like an aluminum soft drink can that had been through a shredder or something at about 4 inches. The coin was about 3 or 4 inches below that. The signal was very iffy, and I was lucky to find the coin.
 
Nice! congrats harry!! You are off to a good start.
 
harryhh said:
One day I might match you Bigboar.

I suggest you aim much higher!!! LOL no matter how good someone is, they must have good spots to hunt. the other side of the spectrum is me. No matter how bad someone is, if they have a great spot, they are bound to get lucky every once in awhile! LOL
 
Congrats on your first V- Nickel! I have yet to find one. From one newbie to another, could you let us know what settings you used on your CTX? Regarding cleaning, it seems like your coin will not be a collectors item so don't be afraid to clean it. Did you try a soak in very hot peroxide to get the dirt off? If its too corroded, you night try electrolysis or a long soak in olive oil.
HH
Chuck
 
Thanks for the tips on cleaning Chuck. And I didn't really think I had a collectors item on my first coin. I don't know that much about coins, but my sister knows some. This coin hunting idea was hers, and so is the detector, but she knows more about coins than I do, though she is certainly a newbie also. Especially in how to operate and understand the detector. It's my job to learn and teach her. But while I can borrow the detector occasionally, it looks like I'm really going to enjoy this hobby.

As for the settings:
Sensitivity auto, no + or - at the time
All metal mode
Tones combined
Response Normal
Recovery Fast Off
Recovery Deep On
Target Separation Ferrous Coin
Pinpoint Normal
Target Trace ON
Target Trace Pinpoint On

If I left anything out that you would like to know, let me know.
 
Thanks Harryh,
I bought my CTX in February and believe it or not, have not been able to use it yet due to very bad weather. I have only been able to do some air tests in the basement. Very frustrating. Thanks for your settings. It's interesting to see that you are not using any discrimination. Seems like you have to evaluate lots of signals with a open screen. I am not brave enough to try it. Just for your info. There are lots of downloadable modes in the CTX Resource forum. When I do get out, I am planning to use coins mode with 50 tones co audio. Basically, I will probably use the same settings as you for the to e being.
Good luck and HH
Chuck
 
Yesterday I found a mercury dime that was buried inches away from a crushed porcelain pot. I would try to pinpoint the good tone but then I would get the overload signal. I kicked back the leaves and there was this big old piece of the pot. I kicked that away and the silver tone came through loud and clear. It just goes to show the great capability of the CTX to differentiate between types of materials so close to one another.
 
Chuck,

It's too bad you haven't been able to get out. You are going to enjoy hunting with this detector.

I started with 50 CO tones and discrimination also.

I have made several different modes with various degrees of discrimination. Some very tight, just open to the FE/CO numbers of the TID coin numbers I've found on this forum. Then open it up a little more to allow for the cursor jumping around some. I have one for modern coins that's not too tight. I have one for old and new US coins that is very tight. I have one that is almost the same but opens up a little more to allow a little more jewelry. I don't really know yet if it is a good idea to have such a tight pattern as some I have made. The reason I am using 'All Metal' is explained below.

The following is what I have found as a 'newbie.' It's just my opinion, preferences, and as a newbie, I'm sure errors in there somewhere.

The reason I have been lately using 'All metal,' is that when you have targets discriminated out, the threshold will blank for a moment. The detector will go silent. As I understand it, that means the target tones will also be 'blanked' for that moment. That makes a slightly greater possibility of missing a good target close to a bad target. The bad target will make the detector go silent with no threshold hum, and no target tones. I decided to run with all metal so that the detector will not be blanked for that moment, making it a little less likely to miss a good target. I use tones in combined mode.

Be aware that Minelab's software for the CTX makes 'good' targets invariably read around the 12 FE line. You can set that lower large box of the combined mode to lines 13 to 15 FE. If you set it at 13, the detector might momentarily read a good target, especially on the first sweep, at 14, where you will get a low tone for a good target. That could make you miss a good target. If you set the lower box at 14 or 15, that will allow for the detector misreading the target on the first sweep, and make it more likely to get a high tone for a good target. I rely a lot on the display. If I get low tones for ferrous targets, I look at the display to see if I also get a cursor in the 12 line area. If so, I investigate the target a little more closely to see if I can tell what's there. With the lower box line set at 15, it's not too likely to get an actual ferrous target that reads in the 14 or 15 ferrous line.

When using 50 conductive you are generally looking for high tones for a coin. The problem that I have found is that something like 80 percent of the targets you find are targets that read with a mixture of a little 12 FE line good target signal, but have a majority high ferrous/high conductivity signal. They read in the area of 48 to 50 ferrous, and around 38 to 48 conductive. So, most of the targets give a high tone, just like a coin, but are just ferrous junk. But here also, all it takes is to pay attention to what the screen is also telling you. I use the combined, so that when it's ferrous junk, I 'hopefully' get a majority of low ferrous tones from the detector instead of high tones.

Weather you use 50 conductive or combined, relying on the display is a necessity because it is so helpful. Using 50 conductive or combined is very much a matter of preference, and probably sometimes a matter of the conditions. Although right now, in my limited experience, I prefer combined. Writing this, I was thinking of some good points to 50 conductive, and am going to go back and play with it some more.

In the past, detectorists have relied very much on being able to decipher the tones that the detector makes. I wonder now, with the versatility of the CTX display, if the tones may become the initial alert to a good target, and the display the dominate feature to determine what the target is?
 
Thanks Harryh,
You seem to have a very good handle on the CTX so far. Your reasoning behind your use of combined vs 50 tone co makes good sense. I think that I have relied on the 50 co is because I began detecting with a minelab xterra and had a great deal of success with the multi tones so I figured I would use it on the CTX. I may need to re-think that based on some of the points you made. Now....if he weather would cooperate, I an get out to test out some of the things I have been learning on the forum.
Hope your success continues with your finds
HH
chuck
 
Knowledge of the machine is always a great way to start.

At home, I always think I know it all. Out in the field, I seem to forget.
 
I wanted to make some corrections to my own post.

A minor correction: Above I talked about the FE going to 48 to 50. Obviously that should be 33 to 35.

A more important correction: I talked about using All Metal mode because I did not want the threshold to blank. I've seen this called 'Shutdown Time,' and there is a 'Recovery Time' before the detector is ready to read another target. You could miss a nearby target. Today, I am reading that there is a Shutdown Time and Recovery Time after reading a 'good' target also. From what I understand, they are the same thing. Apparently, the same amount of recovery time is involved. (not sure about that though) This would seem to nullify any benefit of using All Metal mode for reasons of Shutdown Time.

Also, I was chatting with Chuck about why I found combined tones more advantageous than 50 tone conductive. But I've been thinking. I've only been detecting in very high trash areas, and combined tones was more informative. But, in a less trashy area, and searching for coins and jewelry, 50 tone conductive might be the handier choice.

One thing about All Metal mode though. I've found it helpful in learning about the detector, it's tones, it's display, and what kind of signals the detector gives for trashy or difficult targets. I think that, for a beginner, using All Metal could help one to learn how to distinguish a good target from a bad. All Metal mode is simply more informative about what the detector is doing, and how it treats the signals. It's no miracle worker though. (wish it was)

Chuck also asked about my settings. I had Recovery Fast off, and Recovery Deep on. I think I'm going to change both of these.

I had Recovery Fast off because it apparently makes the TID less stable. But to tell the truth, not one of the targets I found in this high trash park was anything close to stable. I can't lose much by turning Recovery Fast on. And it's purpose is to help find good targets in high trash areas. So, Recovery Fast will go on the next time out. (after a few days of rain here)

I had Recovery Deep on because that is what I expected in this park that is at least 145 years old. But, because of the longer processing time for Recovery Deep, the manual does not recommend it for trashy areas. So, Recovery Deep off.

And, I think I will try both High Trash and Ferrous Coin. See what happens.
 
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