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First Hunt with 9" Round HF Coil

CZconnoisseur

Active member
Have been itching to spend some hours swinging the new 9" HF round coil all week, and last night I got the chance! Spent 3 hours total around my front yard and in the sidewalk strips seeing what was what - and was really pleased with the results.

Started in the coin garden - an area of sidewalk strip that I've recently buried 12 coins total; 4 silver dimes, 4 Indian cents, and 4 nickels at 3,5,7, and 9-inch depths. Mike and I cleared off all of the easy targets in the area on 2 previous hunts, where we found a few old things here and there. With the 11" coil I was having trouble getting the 7 and 9 inch coins, presumably from the mixture of our hot soil, years of salty roads and sidewalks, and of course public littering. This area pushes 5-6 bars of mineralization at spots, and deep targets with the 11" coil would get scratchy and smeared.

I tried 18kHz with the 11" LF coil and it didn't seem to make much difference in getting through to the deeper coins - there wasn't hardly any improvement in the signals. Maybe the 9" LF coil would hit the coins better, and it would be interesting to compare all three coils head-to-head once I get the video glasses repaired or replaced. Those coins aren't going anywhere so maybe one day....

About the first thing I noticed with the 9" HF coil is that coin-sized targets sound BIG - it zooms in so well on smaller items that coins are "a piece of cake" for the HF model!!! First good target was the bus token - it sounded loud and clear, registering a 59-60 at 6" deep. Out of the hole, the token in air reads 59-60 as well! Went on to dig a lot of "round" items, screws, nails, bolts, clothespin springs...anything round whether ferrous or non-ferrous produced a decent "dig me" tone, it got dug.

Another obvious difference was the upper-end VDI compression - I used 28.8kHz the entire time which made zinc pennies indicate 90, copper pennies 94-95, and a half dollar reads 97-98. Beavertails, ring pulls, and square tabs would come in loud and clear at low 70s, mid 80s, and high 80s, respectively; and our old friend aluminum foil liked to hang around the 50s when it would even give VDI.

Foil is surprisingly easier to pick out over a deep, more solid non-ferrous item - there's a little crackling and smearing with foil but the 50s and low 60s VDI has given it away every time so far. A nickel reads "70" at shallow depths, so imagine the disc area for other detectors from 00-69 comparatively for "nickel and below disc!"

"Up-averaging" with the 9" HF round coil is almost non-existent, you won't get much if any VDI shift on a deep fringe target, especially coins. All of the recently buried 9" deep coins (silver dime, Indian cent, and nickel) are soft, squeaky hits with surprisingly stable and accurate VDI. My 12 coins are ALSO buried under overhead power lines - and I noticed little if any EMI last hunt....If I remember correctly the 9" nickel returned a slightly jumpy mid70s VDI, but with a confident audio component....it only sounded 5-6" deep!

Probably the best target dug last night was an aluminum button about the size of a penny - it was next to the sidewalk at 10-11" deep. Initial scanning gave a soft, squeaky audio with 82-83 VDI...got it out of the hole and it locks on a VDI of 83! I was really hoping for a coin, but this target made me a believer.

Tomorrow night the HF coil is going to work in some well-hunted ground - it should be interesting to say the least! :beers:
 
"Beavertails, ring pulls, and square tabs would come in loud and clear at low 70s, mid 80s, and high 80s, respectively;'

CZ.. With the 9" elliptical i get those pesky ring pulls and square tabs in the 80's at 28.8K. So for me I'd have to dig all tid's in the 80's and get tabs and pennies. I wonder why the disparity?

14.4 28.8 74
Square Tab 78 87 94
Round Tab w/tab
66 80 90
Round Tab w/o Tab
67 81 91
 
What were your other settings, i.e., TX, Reactivity, Tones (5 or full?).
My ground is relatively mild compared to yours.

Nice finds!
 
Great review CZ.
One thing nobody can say is you don't dig trash...LOL
 
I haven't found anything yet with the 9" round HF coil. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong? Loads and loads of nails and other crapola in this very old farm yards. Every hold I dig I bet I dig 5 nails. Seriously.
 
Nice review CZ.

Tony,
All I say, run freq at28.8khz, this makes the HF coil stand out from LF coils for separation.
 
At the time I was using these settings:

28.8kHz
Sens 93
Disc -6.4
Full Tones
Iron Volume 1
Reactivity 1
Silencer 2 or 3
Notch 00-50
Ground Balance = Pumping, settled on 85
Ground notch 85-90

I used a lot of notch because for some reason, anything that tried to settle on a VDI below 50 turned out to be iron nail heads, a bent nail, or some other round iron or stainless target. Even the tiny pieces of foil liked to hit above 50 - I remember digging a segment from a screwcap retainer (the thing that holds the blessed screwcap to the original container) from 3-4" down - these things only measure 2mm by 6mm but the detector nailed it!

Silencer settings don't seem to matter as much with this coil - maybe it has something to do with the higher frequencies used. You wouldn't want any silencer at all if you were hunting nuggets, I wouldn't think.

After hunting a second time with this HF coil, my thoughts on it are a little different, but I will post details later tonight with pics! :biggrin:
 
How's the pin pointing on HF coils?
 
The secret is swinging slowly with the very high frequency coil.

Tiny little bits come up that need a probe to spot them, unless the finder has very good eyesight.

I fitted my black 9" 18 kHz coil to spare shaft for friends to try their hand with a Deus.

Happy Hunting,

Jerry.
 
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