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Finds from 8-3-08 :smile:

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Got out a few hours this morning and found a shell frag, 2 fired Gardners, 2 shell casings and a grommet. Thanks for viewing and HH!!

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Nice digs, Scott. Looks like a Parrott nose frag. Cool find.

Brave soul to endure this heat! Nice going, man.

Richard
 
Scott: Always curious about casings. Could you shoot some pictures of the ends of your casings so i can look at the firing pin impressions? Thanks for sharing. Nice finds fragment looks like some pieces of a Read I found but could be a Parrott.

Dave Poche
 
Scott: Might need measurements after I see pin impressions. Look like Spencer cartridges but there were several weapons that used the Spencer. Thanks for continuously helping this field research.

Don't know if you have seen my posted article: Indian Wars Spencers But you might look closely at your casings to see ejector drag marks etc. Should be about the same.

Dave
 
because I can barely see an H on the base of them. I have enclosed some measurements and an example of one with the bullet inside a decayed casing. I found all of these with other CW relics so I assumed they were period. I hope this helps.
Scott
P.S. I had posted some of those chewed bullets on the original thread I posted awhile back but wasn't sure if you noticed it as I didn't see any replies from you.

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Notice how the one casing has 4 strikes on it.

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Yep you are right. They are Henry. You probably know this but there are some nice examples of misfires and rotation of the cartridge in the breech in your examples. The misfire causes a second set of pin impressions. You can also see how the base of the cartridge bulged out against the breech. Careful examination of multistrike pares will show that one is slightly longer (covers part of the bulge) and this is the pair that caused detonation of the cartridge. The bulge was literally dragged across the firing pin on detonation and this created an elongate pin impression.

You can see this on one of your examples. Very nice . Thanks for the measurements.

Dave
 
I have found two shell casings with identical marks, in .44 caliber, but approx. 27 mm in length. Can anyone identify these two casings (found at two different cites where Grierson's cavalry attacked or fired rounds).
 
Reggie: WOW!! that one I haven't seen before. I'll be happy to work on them if you can give me more information. Glad you read the thread.

What is the approx base rim diameter in mm (too bad you don't have IHUNTRELIC's caliper)?.
Can you measure diameter of casing near base? I need you to confirm .44.
Any headstamps?
Are the two pin marks always diagonal to each other?
What state and regiment was Grierson's cavalry?

May be PMing you later but will post anything I can come up with here.

Dave Poche
 
Scott: These casings from Georgia?? Was shell fragment found near these casings?

Dave
 
found in N.E. Tennessee in a spot that was belived to be where confederates took a stand against the Yankees after the battle of Blountville. I have found 3 shell frags, 5 case or cannister shot, fired Gardners and about 10 of the Henry casings. I have found several fired 3-ringers and a fired Smith carbine. I now believe that both sides were at this spot maybe due to a running skirmish. This place has been hit hard before I ever hunted it so it's hard to tell what all has come from this spot.
 
Col. Grierson is a well-known yankee cavalryman who led a raid from Memphis to Baton Rouge, and was portrayed by the venerable John Wayne in the 1959 release "The Horse Soldiers",the premier of which I saw in N.O., LA. The movie also featured Wm. Holden and Constance Towers. Grierson had his butt handed to him by one Nathan Bedford Forrest at a battle at Brice's Crossroads in north Mississippi-but no one portrayed that in the movie.

I have measured both cartridge casings, the first one found at Camp Moore, a Confederate training camp in S.E. LA, bearing a "U" in the base (union ammunition co., I believe), and my partner found 2 more similarly marked. Our southern boys had no such repeating rifles with brass cartridges. These casings measure15 mm at the base, 26 or 27 mm in length, and are either .44 or .45 caliber (15 mm by caliper measurement, see photo attached).

The second casing does not have the "U" and could have been manufactured by another contractor. These were certainly Union cavalry from one or two different units. The second one was found in south MS, just 1/2 mile north of the LA border, above Bogalusa, LA.
 
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