Whites Electronics on March 15 2016 was issued patent number 9,285,496 B1 . This is special because it is a patent that covers the creation of a new Hybrid metal detector. It will combine VLF technology with Pulse induction. I`ve been detecting since 1979 and I finally feel like there is a new detector technology finally on the way. The last 30 years saw detectors frozen in the past. Looks like finally we have a real breakthrough.
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Finally.......something ``New`` in detectors!!!!!!!
- Thread starter Ivan
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And even if a "best of both worlds" detector like a pulse + vlf combo were perfected, I still don't see what the fanfair would be ? Because if we ALREADY have each of these at-our-disposal (albeit in separate machines), then what are we gaining if they're put together ?
They're not reaching or ID'ing anything we can't already do, in one or the other.
Perhaps something fun (yet not "new"), like the ability to switch back and forth on the beach, when you've moved into jet black sand (switch to the pulse), versus the open non-mineralized (switch back to vlf so you can pass nails) ?
They're not reaching or ID'ing anything we can't already do, in one or the other.
Perhaps something fun (yet not "new"), like the ability to switch back and forth on the beach, when you've moved into jet black sand (switch to the pulse), versus the open non-mineralized (switch back to vlf so you can pass nails) ?
Hi,
mrand, the guy that made the tone ID for the Whites Pro XL, has been working on such a hybrid unit for a few years now.
I think his prototype units actually work - but he seems to be more of a tinkerer and not a marketing tycoon with the skills of making the big buck.
Personally I think that ground radar is the thing of the future - where you can actually see what is in the ground.
There is an Austrian company that developes such units which are still too big to be hand held though - they did however drag these units behind Quads and did a survey at Stonehenge and discovered that it was way bigger and older than believed.
Only time will tell if such units will be made available to the average consumer in a hand held version with pin point accuracy.
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skookum
mrand, the guy that made the tone ID for the Whites Pro XL, has been working on such a hybrid unit for a few years now.
I think his prototype units actually work - but he seems to be more of a tinkerer and not a marketing tycoon with the skills of making the big buck.
Personally I think that ground radar is the thing of the future - where you can actually see what is in the ground.
There is an Austrian company that developes such units which are still too big to be hand held though - they did however drag these units behind Quads and did a survey at Stonehenge and discovered that it was way bigger and older than believed.
Only time will tell if such units will be made available to the average consumer in a hand held version with pin point accuracy.
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skookum
" .... has been working on such a hybrid unit for a few years now.... "
Oh sure. And such was the talk of the "pulse devil" and so forth. Even the TDI , for that matter, can be said to ID iron (and even highs versus lows) with the fiddling of adjustments. But the minute you go to avail yourself of such features/ID, you LOOSE the fabled depth of that the pulse afforded you. So if you're reduced to 9 or 10", you have to ask yourself: "why not just stick to a standard discriminating vlf/mf ?
"... ground radar is the thing of the future - where you can actually see what is in the ground.
There is an Austrian company that developes such units which are still too big to be hand held though - they did however drag these units behind Quads...."
And the problem always ever will be: The pixel size is too big. An inch across. Hence anything we seek for (coins, rings, etc...) is.... doh. a single pixel. That info does us no good. Even if the technology/resolution increases to fractions of an inch, you will STILL see nothing but a messy blotch of pixels. Hence no useful good.
You are simply not going to see a television image of the object in the ground
Oh sure. And such was the talk of the "pulse devil" and so forth. Even the TDI , for that matter, can be said to ID iron (and even highs versus lows) with the fiddling of adjustments. But the minute you go to avail yourself of such features/ID, you LOOSE the fabled depth of that the pulse afforded you. So if you're reduced to 9 or 10", you have to ask yourself: "why not just stick to a standard discriminating vlf/mf ?
"... ground radar is the thing of the future - where you can actually see what is in the ground.
There is an Austrian company that developes such units which are still too big to be hand held though - they did however drag these units behind Quads...."
And the problem always ever will be: The pixel size is too big. An inch across. Hence anything we seek for (coins, rings, etc...) is.... doh. a single pixel. That info does us no good. Even if the technology/resolution increases to fractions of an inch, you will STILL see nothing but a messy blotch of pixels. Hence no useful good.
You are simply not going to see a television image of the object in the ground
here's my understanding of it all , they have the tech to tell me if its gold under my coil or aluminium, the problem with giving me that tool is they just put themselves out of a job for ever !! and so don't hold your breath for anything other than what we have.
they give us what we want and need and that's the end game for them sack everyone and shut the doors (game over)
this is plain and simple economics
AJ
they give us what we want and need and that's the end game for them sack everyone and shut the doors (game over)
this is plain and simple economics
AJ
Amberjack you are totally correct!! They are just like our doctors......god forbid that they should "cure" an aliment........they only want to treat or medicate a problem...............a cure would put them out of business. I've been metal detecting since 1974 and we should be way ahead of where we are now. Most of the detector advances that meant anything were done by 1985. All the companies raced to bring new tech to our units and often big jumps not minor incremental changes. Any of us old hands could tell you so. Monte would probably agree....................the latest improvements are just minor "tinkering"!!
Willee - Texas
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Ivan said:
I dont know if any of you are Ham radio operators but the same thing applies there also.
The new "top of the line" radios are $6000 to $10,000 and are basically the same guts with bells and whistles added, with a different case, paint job, and model number.
Same with detectors ... same basic performance with more or different bells and whistles ... and of course a super dooper price to match.
Tell me the new $2500 detector will detect coins deeper than the old White's 6000 DI Pro. (ok ... new ones are are lighter and smaller I ... will give you that)
Where is the extra thousand dollars plus worth of performance. I just dont buy it!
But Wait ... I guess I did cause I bought a CTX-3030 and a XP Deus ... this sucker has more money than sense I guess.
(oh ... and as soon as I buy it it becomes worth about half of what I paid for it)
My $600 Garrett AT Pro or my trusty Fisher CZ-5 will detect just as deep as either. (In My Humble Opinion)
But my image would suffer terribly using them.
Just now seeing this post. Went back to what I'd posted, to see what you were talking about. I fail to see how we weren't talking about detector technology pros and cons. I I fail to see how I had any sort of "tone" that you allude to.
Unless of course having one's notions disassembled constitutes a "tone" ?
Unless of course having one's notions disassembled constitutes a "tone" ?
Amberjack and Ivan, with all due respect: Do you see how your posts could be construed as "conspiracy theories" ? I mean, seriously now, do you *really* believe someone has come up with technology to tell aluminum apart from gold, yet :
"*They* don't want you to get this. Lest the hobby of detecting die a quick death. D/t all the gold quickly gets cherry picked out of junky parks"
Hence leading to lack of conventional machine sales, hence not profitable for the bottom line, hence they bury the technology. Right ? Did I understand you correctly ?
And there are cures (nutritional supplements, or whatever) for all the physical ills we face. However *they* don't want you to know. Because then we'd be seeing doctors less often. Hence less income for doctors. Hence they bury it. Right ? Did I understand you correctly ?
Well gee, what ever happened to the old "build a better mousetrap" saying ? If THAT is true, then the developer would be RUSHING to "get it to market" eh ?
I too have been md'ing since the mid '70s. And yes, the light-years advancements we saw in those years (mid '60s to mid '80s) is un-surpassed. But no, it's not a "conspiracy theory". It's because we are bumping into the laws of physics.
"*They* don't want you to get this. Lest the hobby of detecting die a quick death. D/t all the gold quickly gets cherry picked out of junky parks"
Hence leading to lack of conventional machine sales, hence not profitable for the bottom line, hence they bury the technology. Right ? Did I understand you correctly ?
And there are cures (nutritional supplements, or whatever) for all the physical ills we face. However *they* don't want you to know. Because then we'd be seeing doctors less often. Hence less income for doctors. Hence they bury it. Right ? Did I understand you correctly ?
Well gee, what ever happened to the old "build a better mousetrap" saying ? If THAT is true, then the developer would be RUSHING to "get it to market" eh ?
I too have been md'ing since the mid '70s. And yes, the light-years advancements we saw in those years (mid '60s to mid '80s) is un-surpassed. But no, it's not a "conspiracy theory". It's because we are bumping into the laws of physics.
yeah I don't know Dr sure wants to milk me and feed the drug company's, so I do my own research and a lot of times heal myself. but sure there are things I can not heal and they are good at helping with that.
they already have the tech to tell what metal it is, maybe its not in metal detector form yet but its out there.
sure make the final detector sell millions of them make the quick $ put everyone else out of business and maybe just make money on fixing said detector and that's the end game.
so yep I am a believer
AJ
they already have the tech to tell what metal it is, maybe its not in metal detector form yet but its out there.
sure make the final detector sell millions of them make the quick $ put everyone else out of business and maybe just make money on fixing said detector and that's the end game.
so yep I am a believer
AJ
attackcat1
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It would be like the 14th wonder of the world if it ever came to past LOL