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"Fast is the new deep" how is it working in your hunting spots?
- Thread starter JimmyCT
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My first month with the 800 has shown it to be to be a very good sorter, even considering it has an 11" coil. I am recovering a higher percentage of nickels in my finds. I believe this is due to the ability to adjust tones and segment size to make certain areas on the conductivity scale stand out to my hearing.
I've been visiting areas that I have hunted a number of times with other detectors. A few areas have been hunted deliberately by many other detectorists for decades. The 800 seems to be very capable to normal VLF depths, as expected. It has shown the ability to find keepers that I missed with other detectors in difficult sites with large amounts of iron and/or aluminum trash. I think of this as GLEANING ability, hunting a site after others and looking for what's left. While it is very good at gleaning, I wouldn't say that my old sites are new again. I think that would be misleading on my part.
Fast is the new deep seems appropriate. Still, if I am in an area with limited trash and DEEP targets, my first thought is to reach for my etrac, However, I do like using a Fast detector when I get into difficult sites filled with iron and conductive trash. This is where having complimentary detectors is helpful; the 800 compliments my etrac.
More testing on the way. For the next month I'll be taking the 800 out to some ghost towns. It isn't really FAIR to test it with an 11" coil, but it seems that I've purchased a detector with NO AVAILABLE ACCESSORIES. (hello Minelab) especially the 6" coil.
I actually bought the 800 to do some fresh/shallow water beach type hunting without worrying about dunking a $1500 detector, so all of this is bonus for me.
I do like the handling of the 800. It is light to swing, the interface is easy to use and see, the audio is pleasant. If I could push a button and morph my etrac into the 800 package, I would. If Minelab could speed up the Etrac to the 800 level, even better.
My opinion will continue to evolve as I gain experience with the 800. As they say, your mileage may vary.
Rich (Utah)
I've been visiting areas that I have hunted a number of times with other detectors. A few areas have been hunted deliberately by many other detectorists for decades. The 800 seems to be very capable to normal VLF depths, as expected. It has shown the ability to find keepers that I missed with other detectors in difficult sites with large amounts of iron and/or aluminum trash. I think of this as GLEANING ability, hunting a site after others and looking for what's left. While it is very good at gleaning, I wouldn't say that my old sites are new again. I think that would be misleading on my part.
Fast is the new deep seems appropriate. Still, if I am in an area with limited trash and DEEP targets, my first thought is to reach for my etrac, However, I do like using a Fast detector when I get into difficult sites filled with iron and conductive trash. This is where having complimentary detectors is helpful; the 800 compliments my etrac.
More testing on the way. For the next month I'll be taking the 800 out to some ghost towns. It isn't really FAIR to test it with an 11" coil, but it seems that I've purchased a detector with NO AVAILABLE ACCESSORIES. (hello Minelab) especially the 6" coil.
I actually bought the 800 to do some fresh/shallow water beach type hunting without worrying about dunking a $1500 detector, so all of this is bonus for me.
I do like the handling of the 800. It is light to swing, the interface is easy to use and see, the audio is pleasant. If I could push a button and morph my etrac into the 800 package, I would. If Minelab could speed up the Etrac to the 800 level, even better.
My opinion will continue to evolve as I gain experience with the 800. As they say, your mileage may vary.
Rich (Utah)
IDXMonster
Well-known member
I just don’t think a lot of people take into consideration that because of the propensity of the lowly nickel to have “conductive competition” from ALL kinds of other trash that reads very similarly,many hunters haven’t dug them for DECADES! It’s only 5 cents, and the vast majority are rotten when they come out of the ground. Why dig them? Well....I don’t. The ONLY time I dig nickels is when I’m in a very old site or when they are in close proximity to an older coin I’ve already dug,and it could be a war nickel or older. Other than that,I’ve never dug nickels! It’s not because my machines are incapable of finding them,it’s because they are discriminated out most of the time. That’s me. And I’m SURE hoards of other hunters from the past who were silver shooting and didn’t bother with them. As a result,there are going to be a lot of nickels lying around. The fact that the magical “this or that” is now finding nickels really isn’t magical at all.
Is this not well known common sense people?
Is this not well known common sense people?
IDXMonster said:I just don’t think a lot of people take into consideration that because of the propensity of the lowly nickel to have “conductive competition” from ALL kinds of other trash that reads very similarly,many hunters haven’t dug them for DECADES! It’s only 5 cents, and the vast majority are rotten when they come out of the ground. Why dig them? Well....I don’t. The ONLY time I dig nickels is when I’m in a very old site or when they are in close proximity to an older coin I’ve already dug,and it could be a war nickel or older. Other than that,I’ve never dug nickels! It’s not because my machines are incapable of finding them,it’s because they are discriminated out most of the time. That’s me. And I’m SURE hoards of other hunters from the past who were silver shooting and didn’t bother with them. As a result,there are going to be a lot of nickels lying around. The fact that the magical “this or that” is now finding nickels really isn’t magical at all.
Is this not well known common sense people?
No, not common sense at all. If you are not digging nickels, you aren't digging gold either. There are "hoards" of guys that love hunting gold jewelry and are willing to dig pull tabs and nickels to find it. The Nox locks on to nickels really well. They sound good and ID very solidly. Magical? No. But, it does hit very hard on the lower conductors.
When a target sounds as good as a nickel does on the Nox it's hard to pass on. Plus, it may be a chunk of gold...at the very least a nickel. I'm willing to dig a solid nickel signal that may turn out to be gold but I'm not willing to dig pull tabs and aluminum crap to find gold. Just that nickel signal. I always left a tight nickel region open on the E-Trac...as many guys do.
It's not that, "fast is the new deep"...it's fast multi frequency is the new deep. And that is a magical combination. It's working very well in my hunting spots.
Dean
IDXMonster said:I just don’t think a lot of people take into consideration that because of the propensity of the lowly nickel to have “conductive competition” from ALL kinds of other trash that reads very similarly,many hunters haven’t dug them for DECADES! It’s only 5 cents, and the vast majority are rotten when they come out of the ground. Why dig them? Well....I don’t. The ONLY time I dig nickels is when I’m in a very old site or when they are in close proximity to an older coin I’ve already dug,and it could be a war nickel or older. Other than that,I’ve never dug nickels! It’s not because my machines are incapable of finding them,it’s because they are discriminated out most of the time. That’s me. And I’m SURE hoards of other hunters from the past who were silver shooting and didn’t bother with them. As a result,there are going to be a lot of nickels lying around. The fact that the magical “this or that” is now finding nickels really isn’t magical at all.
Is this not well known common sense people?
IDXMonster,
Dean made some important comments on the gold, to that I'll add that it all comes down to whether you're 'coin' hunting, or treasure hunting. For the most part, old nickels are a LOW value item, usually discolored and corroded. I made a post over on Steve H's forum under Why Dig Nickels post along with a few pics and just a few of the rare dated Buffalo nickels I've turned up under my coils over the years. Not that that really matters. Nickels can be a pain. I completely understand those that don't want to dig nickels and some days that may include myself.
That said, the first old coin I turned up with my 800 was a 1936 Buffalo. Also turned up an 1887 V Nickel about a week later. Neither coin is very valuable if I were to walk into the local coin store and try to sell it. In fact, the V is approaching slicker stage.
But that old worn 1887 V Nickel had the guys at work looking closely, and trying to think about what was going on at that time across this Nation (United States). My kids were looking at that same coin going wow, this is like 132 years old. Sure, that brown nickel wasn't all pretty and shiny like the 1891-O Seated Dime I turned up the week before, but it was cool and the kids and the guys at work all had a few minutes to reflect to a different time. And I like that and don't mind keeping an eye out for them.
Just a thought for you.
HH
Rich (Utah)
dewcon4414
Well-known member
Fast ....... seems to be a stabilizer in salt water. It takes those LONG tones and reduces them to shorter responses...... more normal to my hearing. For me ..... at least in the water i pick up a target better with say 5 recovery than 3.
JimmyCT
Well-known member
Dew, Rich and Dean,
Thank you for your feedback.
Dean,
The part in bold is what I was implying with "in a nutshell" and you nailed it. Also, I love finding all coins including crusty 5 cent coins. I'm like you though as I am not going to dig 10,000 pulltabs but will dig a "window" for nickel signals.
Thank you for your feedback.
Dean,
The part in bold is what I was implying with "in a nutshell" and you nailed it. Also, I love finding all coins including crusty 5 cent coins. I'm like you though as I am not going to dig 10,000 pulltabs but will dig a "window" for nickel signals.
dbado1 said:
Man, there are a lot of negative ninnies on the forums here lately!! Ironically, some are regulars here on an Equinox sub forum (in which the discussion is all Nox related), but yet on other forums, have been complaining about the high volume of Nox posts and have declared that they have no interest whatsoever in the Nox . 
Just thought I'd throw that out there and poke the bear.
Now, back on topic. For me personally, the speed isn't what is putting the most goodies in my pouch. Sure, it is nice to be able to adjust that setting; it makes the machine more versatile. For me though, there is something special going on in that Multi IQ stuff that makes it different from anything I've ever used. We've all taken new detectors to our favorite sites we've pounded, and come up with at least a find or two that we missed. Usually this is attributed to being unfamiliar with a new detector and being open to digging any signal. I know a lot of people have tried to pawn the success people are having with the Nox on that very thing. That has NOT been my experience. With any new machine, I do a lot of testing before I ever take it on a real world hunt. So that I have an idea of where certain objects will ID. In my first few hunts with the Nox, I was taken back at the amount of good targets it was revealing. Not just one or two here and there...not digging iffy signals and they happen to turn out to be good targets. But multiple times, on every hunt thus far, I get those clear cut "this is something good" numbers in places I have hammered hard and sure enough, out pops that coin or button. This machine has put the fun back in detecting for me. Only trouble I'm having is running out of display cases and places to put stuff
Just thought I'd throw that out there and poke the bear.Now, back on topic. For me personally, the speed isn't what is putting the most goodies in my pouch. Sure, it is nice to be able to adjust that setting; it makes the machine more versatile. For me though, there is something special going on in that Multi IQ stuff that makes it different from anything I've ever used. We've all taken new detectors to our favorite sites we've pounded, and come up with at least a find or two that we missed. Usually this is attributed to being unfamiliar with a new detector and being open to digging any signal. I know a lot of people have tried to pawn the success people are having with the Nox on that very thing. That has NOT been my experience. With any new machine, I do a lot of testing before I ever take it on a real world hunt. So that I have an idea of where certain objects will ID. In my first few hunts with the Nox, I was taken back at the amount of good targets it was revealing. Not just one or two here and there...not digging iffy signals and they happen to turn out to be good targets. But multiple times, on every hunt thus far, I get those clear cut "this is something good" numbers in places I have hammered hard and sure enough, out pops that coin or button. This machine has put the fun back in detecting for me. Only trouble I'm having is running out of display cases and places to put stuff
Always Curious
New member
No point in debating Minelab's advertising slogans--and that's all this is (and all the companies do it). The Nox is good at separating and unmasking--I've seen that--and it nicely complements my Etrac (which has its own strengths). Whether other recent machines are also as good in that department I'll leave to others who want to go to the trouble of doing head-to-toe tests.