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Falsing?

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I get a lot of hits where I get a couple of good double blips with my cz-5,but then it just seems to disappear.No matter how I pass the coil over the area where the good sounding blips sounded I get no response.Is this falsing or am I missing something?One other problem I have is a good double blip and when I use pinpointing I do the left,right,down and up movement,except that when I do the up part it gets further away from my double blip area.In other words the left,right and down movement is great,but up movement is totally irrational.Anyone noticed this and can explain?
 
Jim,
Yes it is falsing but a lot of detectors will do that its not just the CZ's. When you get a high tone hit that disappears its because the detector got a better "look" at the target on the resweep and saw it as iron. If you aren't already, hunt for a while in 0 disc and you will see how much iron there is in the ground at most places. A lot of people find the iron tone non-irratating and hunt in 0 disc all the time as it keeps you on your toes. LOL
Tom
 
I think Tom handled that quite well..Keep in mind improper ground balance along with a sensitivty too high and a pendulum swing and yep have to watch those high tension lines also..as they can contribute to over falsing...Gosh never checked a signal up and down, but I do know a side to side is recommended as a to and fro is not as accurate. Another thought as checking at different heights may give valuable info..
 
OK! I will disregard any to and fro and only concetrate on side to side in pinpoint mode! In this case 2 points of reference is better than 4 points of reference.
 
Jim,
There's nothing wrong with checking the signal in 4 directions. You really need to do it to pinpoint correctly. I think Dan was saying to and fro wasn't as accurate in the ID mode. I check and recheck my target to make sure of it's ID and pinpoint. After you find a target, you should pinpoint it and recheck it in ID mode to correctly ID. I know lots of people have some luck finding coins that only repeat in 1 or 2 directions. I don't. I rarely find an iffy signal to be a coin with my 3D. I usually don't dig unless the target IDs as coin in 4 directions. I dug a lot of deep and iffy signals today and all I got was sore back. <img src="/metal/html/frown.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":("> I did find 3 IH pennies and 4 wheats but they all repeated well. Brown clay. Coins don't sink far in that stuff.
Dave
 
There is a good reason I ask this.
I normally hunt a fairly clean site in Auto-tune, then flip to 0 Disc. to ID the target.
A normal target, in Auto-tune, starts out soft and low, with the pitch and volume both going up (like the pinpoint), then dropping off as soon as the center of the coil makes it Closest Point of Approach to the target. A really big target does the same thing, but blasts your ears off, then gives you the "bell tone".
Last year, after a big storm came through, I was searching some tree rootballs that were exposed where numerous trees had come down. I was hunting in 0 Disc, and got a really funny signal on one of the rootballs. It bounced around, giving me all three tones. I couldn't pinpoint it. It seemed to move around, sometimes up to 9" in any direction. On a whim, I flipped down to Auto-tune on my CZ-5 and got an interesting surprise. Instead of a target that sounded like what I described above, the sequence of sounds was completely reversed. I would get a belltone, then the target would hit loud and high, with the volume and pitch dropping off as I moved away from it. I had a "negative" target, which is a kind of hot rock. Since I was getting the belltone, I figured I had a pretty good sized one. Sure enough, I managed to isolate the signal to a chunk of stone about the size of two softballs.
I've been finding lots of these "negative hot rocks" in the past couple of years, since I moved here to MI. One thing that I've found, is that while small negative hot rocks usually won't make a peep in 0 Disc, large ones will, but will only sound off several inches away. Once you hear one in Auto-tune, you'll know it, and it doesn't sound anything like the "positive" metallic targets that we're searching for.
Another reason I like to hunt in Auto-tune, is that around here, there are powerlines overhead just about everywhere. This results in a lot of RFI that will cause extensive falsing in 0 Disc. However, in Auto-tune, the same RFI sounds more like a buzzing, staticy sound.
A coin on edge or a nail will give a double-beep, and in Auto-tune, also gives a double-blip or sound. Several smaller targets (pieces of small wire, etc.) will give a "fluttering" kind of sound in Auto-Tune. And, as I mentioned above, a "negative" hot rock gives just exactly the kind of signal as a positive target gives, like when you're GB'ing your CZ with the bobbing method, and the sound hits as you lift the coil away from the ground (negatively-tuned).
Again, I ask, what does your mystery target sound like in Auto-Tune?
HH from Allen in MI
 
Walkaround the target and get it to repeat from 4 directions..Just stating for some reason CZ's don't respond well to a to and fro coil movement.Most of my silver coins are deep and usually dig if I can get it to repeat from two angles. Those 10 inch ones plus you actually have to work to get it to repeat from two angles.Of course shallow targets will easily repeat from 4 angles..If it doesn't repeat from a second angle have to weigh how deep it is before I dig but its usually junk. Depends how plentiful targets are and sometimes the tone tells you to go for it..Some iffies indeed can be a partially masked target. Time in the field and some digging is worth reading the manual many times....
 
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