I know the etrac can get fooled and give you a high tone on a nail ( there is quick mask for that) but will the Etrac give you a reading of iron (low tone) on a silver?,,,, ever? I can live with an occasional nail instead of a coin,,, but need to know when the ET says iron it's iron what are your thoughts on this?, thanks
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false "high" on nails but falses on coins,,,,
- Thread starter grouser
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Good question. I have gotten iffy tones and signals as most people have. Conductive numbers don't seem to vary to much on a good silver target but the cursor location to me is a dead give away on iron. Those deep bent nails and rusty barbed wire have seen the light of day more than a few times let me tell you. Nothing is absolute unless you dig it. Those real nice washers canted deep down sometimes make me speak in tongues. I keep telling myself thats why they call it hunting. I'm awful bad to question my E-Trac but I'm learning. Grouser if that cursor goes to the bottom right regardless of the sound DO NOT question your E-Trac. If you do then you may find yourself speaking in tongues. HH 
[size=large]I buried a real deep dime and tried to hit it with the 8x6 coil. Most other detectors could probably not even see it. The numbers were what I could call an iron type signal. They were towards the far lower right hand corner of the screen. A signal I probably would not have dug normally. I was in conductive sounds so the sound was still a high tone. I may be wrong but I think you would have to be hunting in ferrous for it to be a low tone. I think this would be normal on most detectors though and would not even worry about that. The Etrac is the best detector on the market in my opinion...........[/size]
You are going to dig some nails, but if you lessen close the squeal will be a little longer if you half a rusty nail. Usually you will get the squeal swinging the Etrac only one way with the nail. Unless you have a coin and nail in the same hole. Then you half to dig. Just remember don't go by the numbers they are not always right after about six inches. To many minerals in the ground. Never had a coin false that I know of, that's just my opinion go by your ears.
oppps should have stated "when in TTF",,, I just wanna be sure the low grunt is a piece of iron ,, seems like it starts off with a high sqeal then I hone in on it and it goes to the low grunt,,,,, is the ET just doin it's thing and can I trust it,,,,, still new to it but went out in a heavy trash site today and was amazed at the coins I found in amongst the trash,,, only pull tabs I dug where on purpose,,, thanks all for the help !!!! HH
all deep targets on the border will give iron signal on all detectors, because not enough strong signal for detector, Etrac jumping screen from some rusty iron is - I think- programing problem what Minelab did, explorers never had this issue. I use etrac without discrimination and absolutely dont like idea to discriminate top small piece line screen where iron jumping. 
Ken in Georgia
New member
Good information here
Southwind
Well-known member
On extremely deep targets I don't trust the tones or target ID. I get,even using TTF, false good signals from pointed iron like nails and wire when they are in the 12" depth range. I do trust the pinpoint to be far more accurate at determining iron. When I get a signal that is 10" or more I rely on pinpointing. If the target pinpoints slightly off to the side from where I get the positive signal, very high chances it is deep iron. It can also be a good target with a piece of iron very close by as well, but with a little effort you can usually pinpoint the two separate(coin and iron) as two targets not one.
Diggin Metal
New member
I did notice this with the F75 SE at some point it will reed iron on silver and you will not get a dig signal But i have not noticed it with the Etrac in fact i know for a fact that in my yard at a depth where the F75 thinks its iron the Etrac still sees silver.
I'm going to do some more tests next year.
I'm going to do some more tests next year.
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
Southwind is right I find the same thing.
Grouser I think what you did is hit the corners or ends and it gave that hight tone hit but when you got good sweet spot part of the center of the coil over the target it gave up it's true character as to what it really was. When you pinpoint that cursor works in real time so look to see where it ends up on the screen if it's way down at the bottom right corner it's probably going to be iron.
Bill_S if that cursor in quick mask isn't right near the very bottom of that right hand corner but is up maybe 1/4 off of it tries to jump up a bit kind of like a ferrous bounce up adn down I have had some turn out to be coins masked by iron or iron stained badly making them drag that cursor down apperaing to be iron. Usually iron will stay at the bottom corner cursor spot and not move up off it.
Grouser I think what you did is hit the corners or ends and it gave that hight tone hit but when you got good sweet spot part of the center of the coil over the target it gave up it's true character as to what it really was. When you pinpoint that cursor works in real time so look to see where it ends up on the screen if it's way down at the bottom right corner it's probably going to be iron.
Bill_S if that cursor in quick mask isn't right near the very bottom of that right hand corner but is up maybe 1/4 off of it tries to jump up a bit kind of like a ferrous bounce up adn down I have had some turn out to be coins masked by iron or iron stained badly making them drag that cursor down apperaing to be iron. Usually iron will stay at the bottom corner cursor spot and not move up off it.
No way can I add my experience with an E-Trac since I just got it. But since you are talking about falsing, hunting in iron. I have some observations and questions. Where to start?
Ok, I have a lot of older coins, Barbers,Mercs, Indian Heads, Half Dimes, Wheaties, Buffalo Nicks, War Nicks etc, but also save junk, such as different pull tabs, screw caps, old rusty iron, different size rusted nails, mostly of the square variety.
Ok, I have had problems with the tones, especially the high falsing off the old nails. I have hunted in the factory coin program, multi tones, plus I have used TTF out in the fields with a disc pattern to knock out nails.
Its frustrating thus far. So what Ive done, is this, Ive run different combinations of coins, iron trash (since that is where my problems lies) across the coil from multiple directions, some across with different size nails and a coin also. Ive also place different combinations in the yard. ( I can tell you this for a fact, that iron will null a coin out from a certain swing, but from another swing you will get a signal, in a disc pattern) The lesson I learned from this, with any detector, and most of you already know this. Its is very important to work a place from different directions. But sometime, you dont have the time,so you just are not gonna get them all.
But, the reason I have spent hours and hours over the last several days doing this, ( been raining here,lol) is to try and get familiar with the coin sound. Another thing I learned doing this, sometimes that iron will sound like a coin and give a good reading from a left and right swing, even if you shorten to those 2 or 3 inch swings using the center of the coil, but, lucky for us, you turn 90 degrees, and it will show its ugly face.
But, Im still having problem with the high tones, Ive even changed the pitch of the threshold,, I think that helped some.
As Ray stated, a coin can false low, which got me to thinking, and I havent been able to replicate this. In TTF the cut off is FE 17. So I guess this means if a coin for whatever reason falls below FE17, it will issue a grunt/??
So, have any of you tried to hunt these old field,farm type sites using Conductive and Multi tones??? And how did it work out???
I could really use some help, and suggestions. The reason being, I have been working on an old site, trying to get permission for close to a year. And now I have it. I know someone around 15 years back detected it for a short time, but the owner tells me no one else has been there. This is a really large area with lots of 1800 history. Ive got to get this detector going for me, its the main reason I bought it, for hunting in iron.
One other observation I made, and got this from reading this forum and I do apologize because i cant recall who gave this info. They stated sometimes a very deep coin will give a thunk, and a iffy number, but it will be a coin most times, someonelse said thats iron. So I tried to replicate this, of course it was in air plus just raising the coil a bit, but it did give a thunk after I was at the fringe of detecting, and of course since no ground or iron was in the way, it gave a good conductive number. Any of you experience this in the real world?
Thanks,
Merry Chritmas,
John
Ok, I have a lot of older coins, Barbers,Mercs, Indian Heads, Half Dimes, Wheaties, Buffalo Nicks, War Nicks etc, but also save junk, such as different pull tabs, screw caps, old rusty iron, different size rusted nails, mostly of the square variety.
Ok, I have had problems with the tones, especially the high falsing off the old nails. I have hunted in the factory coin program, multi tones, plus I have used TTF out in the fields with a disc pattern to knock out nails.
Its frustrating thus far. So what Ive done, is this, Ive run different combinations of coins, iron trash (since that is where my problems lies) across the coil from multiple directions, some across with different size nails and a coin also. Ive also place different combinations in the yard. ( I can tell you this for a fact, that iron will null a coin out from a certain swing, but from another swing you will get a signal, in a disc pattern) The lesson I learned from this, with any detector, and most of you already know this. Its is very important to work a place from different directions. But sometime, you dont have the time,so you just are not gonna get them all.
But, the reason I have spent hours and hours over the last several days doing this, ( been raining here,lol) is to try and get familiar with the coin sound. Another thing I learned doing this, sometimes that iron will sound like a coin and give a good reading from a left and right swing, even if you shorten to those 2 or 3 inch swings using the center of the coil, but, lucky for us, you turn 90 degrees, and it will show its ugly face.
But, Im still having problem with the high tones, Ive even changed the pitch of the threshold,, I think that helped some.
As Ray stated, a coin can false low, which got me to thinking, and I havent been able to replicate this. In TTF the cut off is FE 17. So I guess this means if a coin for whatever reason falls below FE17, it will issue a grunt/??
So, have any of you tried to hunt these old field,farm type sites using Conductive and Multi tones??? And how did it work out???
I could really use some help, and suggestions. The reason being, I have been working on an old site, trying to get permission for close to a year. And now I have it. I know someone around 15 years back detected it for a short time, but the owner tells me no one else has been there. This is a really large area with lots of 1800 history. Ive got to get this detector going for me, its the main reason I bought it, for hunting in iron.
One other observation I made, and got this from reading this forum and I do apologize because i cant recall who gave this info. They stated sometimes a very deep coin will give a thunk, and a iffy number, but it will be a coin most times, someonelse said thats iron. So I tried to replicate this, of course it was in air plus just raising the coil a bit, but it did give a thunk after I was at the fringe of detecting, and of course since no ground or iron was in the way, it gave a good conductive number. Any of you experience this in the real world?
Thanks,
Merry Chritmas,
John
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
It was I john who found this out and brought it here so glad to hear you find it as well happens and can use it to your and others advantage. I think the detector in AUTO sensitivity is reaching the depth of it's detecting range on that target so that is why the sound but the Conductive ID no. is still is pretty good as stated in Andy'y book on the Etrac. I wholly agree with your whole complete second paragraph there.
Tom
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too all.
Tom
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too all.
We went through this in the Garrett forum. Air test all your reeded edged coins with the edge towards the md. Almost all of them will shoot off as foil, near the iron area. I didn't try this with silver coins yet. I haven't had any problems with silver so far. Silver always hits smack on the silver reading.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Merry Christmas everyone.