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F5 in wet ground

Kos

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I am trying to take in as much info from you seasoned guys as possible. Being new to the hobby with a F5 and reading some of Mikes posts and the settings he is using, I am telling myself, If they can do it, so can I.. Boy am I WRONG. I have only used my detector in very wet ground and at times I cant keep it quiet, with target IDs bouncing all around. Could it be that my gain and threshold is set too high, or could there be lots of junk in the ground combined with the saturated soil the bigger problem. I had only two repeated hits for the day, that I felt comfortable digging, one being a zinc penny which the F5 read with the correct id and depth. the second repeated hit was a old bolt w/nut that was upright in the ground which was reading 50 cent. I tried turning gain down from 50 to 30 and was still having the problem.

Kos
 
Kos I spent about 7 hours yesterday hunting with my F5 in wet ground. I was able to run it with the sens at 90, and thresh at 9 and it was stable as can be.

What settings to you have dialed in on the F5 ? What method are you using to GB it ?

The F5 has been a really stable machine for me, now my F70 is an entirely different story, but it looks like it's going to the Fisher Dr. for a checkup to get sorted out.

HH,
Brian
 
Brian,

I was running sens at 50, thresh at +1. I was able to find clear ground by pinpointing. Phase lock button pump method to balance. Ground was reading 62. Would pump coil every so often to check balance and when I would be off by 2 or more numbers, I would go through the same sequence to re-balance. What could be is going wrong? Thanks for the help.

Kos
 
Hey Kos,

You answered the questions I sent in my PM. The only other thing I can think to check is what was the Fe0 meter reading ? Did you try switching to a different frequency ?

I've hunted with the F5 on wet sand (fresh water lake) and found a 14K gold ring at 7", and it was very stable. Anyone know off hand how to reset the F5 (pull the batteries ?) ?

Seems like something might be wrong with the F5 or coil :shrug:

Brian
 
Hi Kos,

I don't know which is worse, very wet ground or very dry ground :shrug:

Very wet ground just enhances the conductive properties of everything and it can get really noisy if there are many targets close together. Considering the F5 will pick up BB's, small foil bits as well as the normal larger trash items like tabs, crown caps and all that other metallic junk that winds up on the ground, plus add in any EMI floating through the ether around you and it can get a bit crazy at times.

Just remember that the site conditions determine how hot you can set the machine. You basically have to ignore how anyone else can set their detector for their site and just focus on how best to set up for your location. Sometimes you can hunt with high settings, sometimes you can only hunt with low settings. The site conditions always have the last word.

First thing is to determine if its EMI or ground noise causing your problems. Hold your detector up in the air. Are you getting chirps and jumping numbers on your display? If so, thats EMI and you need to turn your Gain or Threshold levels down. Once you get it stable in the air, then sweep it over the ground. Now all that noise and jumping number are ground related. Here you can do several things. One is that now you can set your disc or notch to eliminate some of that noise and numbers. Raising the disc to the top of foil will help a lot, notching out tabs will help alot, and if you have a lot of large rusty iron like the bolt you mentioned, notching out the 50c segment will help a lot. The key to happiness is to limit the audio to a comfortable level your brain can process. As you get more accustomed to the detector you can let in more objects.

Key thing about the Gain and Threshold controls. The Gain makes the signals bigger or smaller. Like a . vs a O. But remember it affects all signals, good and bad. The Threshold control does two things. From -9 to 0, it raises or lowers a internal trigger point or threshold. Turning the Threshold down to -9 raises the trigger point so that only signals of a certain strength can be heard. Raising the threshold towards a 0 setting lowers the trigger point, making it possible to hear the weakest of signals. Another words, the threshold settings from -9 to 0 are a form of signal strength discrimination. Lower settings toward -9 require a stronger signal in order to be heard, higher settings toward 0 require a weaker signal strength to be heard. Threshold settings from +1 to +9 enhance the volume of the signals. Another words it makes weak signals louder.

So at your setting of 50 and +1. You have multiple the signal strength of all targets relative to the 50 gain setting, have lowered the threshold trigger point to 0 so that even the weakest signals can be heard, plus increased their audio loudness with the +1, and doing it in really wet ground which in itself is enhancing the signals. Add in the actual ground content and yep, it could be noisy.

That knowledge should help you figure out the right settings for your different ground conditions.

Good luck and HH,

Mike
 
Mike and Brian,

Thanks for your help. I will just tone it down, notch things out and take my time. I got spoiled my first time out at a clean soccer field that held lots of coins.

HH
Kos
 
In States where salt is spread on roads till the rains come and delutes the salt from road spray, and the spreader throwing salt everywhere, it can, and does effect your detector performance..Closer to the road you detect worse the unstability is...As the Spring rains delute the salt overspray it gets better and better.

The salt residue spreads much further than you think it would in grass areas near roadways..
 
Man Do I have a lot to learn. I might give the local municipal building where the salt trucks operate from a break for a while.

Thanks
Kos
 
Mike it sounds like your saying the gain/threshold on the F5 works the same as the Coinstrike ?

I believe it's different on the F70/75, more like output gain, and input gain.

HH,
Brian
 
Hi Brian,

Yes, the -9 to 0 range of the Threshold works just like the Coinstrike Threshold control does.

HH

Mike
 
on small or large targets close to the coil ? The reason I ask that is they say the detector will not respond until the unit is turned off after it overloads.Wonder if that was taken care of in the Omega ?
 
Terry,

My F5 doesn't have any issue with hanging up on a overload signal. The Omega I'm comparing doesn't have an issue with hanging up on overloads either.

HH

Mike
 
n/t
 
Elton,

The latest greatest Tek Omega 8000.

I like the F5 better. Full report after I've finished.

HH

Mike
 
Terry in PA said:
on small or large targets close to the coil ? The reason I ask that is they say the detector will not respond until the unit is turned off after it overloads.Wonder if that was taken care of in the Omega ?

I had the F5 out at a soggy park last weekend for about 7 hours, and had very little trouble with the overload issue, so it appears it may have something to do with ground conditions. I did see it a few times, but I don't have to shut the machine of, it just stays blanked off until you hit another target. Raising the coil will only work IF you know in advance the target will cause an overload condition. I don't find it to be a big issue, unless your in a really trashy area with lots of surface trash.

HH,
Brian
 
Mike Hillis said:
Hi Brian,

Yes, the -9 to 0 range of the Threshold works just like the Coinstrike Threshold control does.

HH

Mike

Hi MIke,

That's good to know. Interesting that you mention -9 to 0, do you see a different behavior for the threshold over zero ? IIRC the C$ maxed out at +4 (I'm at work, or I'd check on my C$).

The threshold was a bit tricky on the C$. I remember Bill's 525 setting, typically worked like a champ.

HH,
Brian
 
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