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F2 @ Old Lumbermill

seattleMD

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I did some research on my local town and found some information on one of the original lumber mills. The lumber mill was constructed at the turn of the century and burned down in 1916. The location of the mill has been undeveloped and is currently a county park / wetlands. This was my first historic md adventure, as previously I was doing only the community park, so I was rather excited.

Before I actually started detecting, I hiked around the area and identifed three sets of foundation type material as well as some brick piles. I figured I would hit these places the hardest and hope for the best.

As soon as I turned my detector on, it was going crazy with iron hits, no matter where I went. My guess is since it was a typical wood and brick building of that era, the place was littered with rotted sheet metal, nails, and screws.

I spent a little over 5 hours there of straight MDing but ending up not finding any valuable relics of coins. I did find:

- large iron I-Beam dated 1890 from an Illinois Steel Mill
- two smaller thick iron objects that were shaped like boomerangs (but larger)
- lots of sheetmetal
- lots of nails and screws

In the end, though it was fun to explore the old mill, I have to say I was a bit frustrated and disappointed with the experience for two main reasons.

1. The only things that rung up consistent tones on my detector were large iron objects and they weren't being detected as iron.

2. The place was littered with inconsistent (ring once every 5 sweeps) and variable tones (ring high sweeping left, right low sweeping right). Also lots of feint scratching.

3. Many of the times when i attempted to dig said inconsistent / variable tones, I ended up losing the tone completely. It was almost as if the tone existed in the dirt formation, but once I disturbed the formation, the tone was gone.

4. The entire area was covered with flattened long grass and leaves, meaning prior to cleaning an area of said plant carcasses, my sweeps were already 3-4 inches off the ground.

I was using my Fisher F2 w/ the 8" coil at full sensitivity and iron discriminated (as mentioned before).

Questions for the experts:

1. In an area like this where you are forced to sweep 3-4 inches off the ground, is it pretty much futile to attempt it with a entry level model like the Fisher F2 due to its limited depth?

2. When you find your valuable silver and coins in amongst iron junk like this area, what kind of VDI numbers and tone does it give? How much does it vary depending on depth?

3. What causes the inconsistent and variable responses. Is that an object that is too deep for the detector to handle or is it soil formation creating a false signal of some sort.
 
Usually in trashy areas you have to turn the sensitivity down some to get rid of false signals. Also using the small coil to find good targets between the iron is basically what it's designed for so it would probably worth a try in a trashy spot like that.
 
first off I'm know expert others can help, sounds like you are taken on a pretty tough site,if you are not use to the machine. on the plus side is the fast recovery speed of the f2 will help get between the iron targets once you get better acquainted with it. first the rusted iron will hide good targets, and the rust itself has a halo when you disturb it the signal will disappear, rusted iron will come in as a high tone at times, and can also drag down a signal from a good target next to an iron target. when you swing your coil one way high tone, the other way, low tone, sounds like rusted iron to me. other trash signals will also do this, so might a coin on edge.i have a tough site like this, this area would probably be easier to hunt when soil conditions are dryer. might want to hunt a easier place, but you sound like you have a good grip on whats happening with you machine, keep it up. thompy
 
is to slow your sweep speed way down to a crawl and ignore all the audio responses from the obvious iron falses. In those conditions good targets tend to be brief soft tones hidden in amongst the louder responses. If the soft sound repeats in the same exact spot with a careful resweep, dig it.

Tom
 
I can see a few problems, perhaps I can help a bit ?? In time it will all fall into place.



1. The only things that rung up consistent tones on my detector were large iron objects and they weren't being detected as iron.

This is quite common for most detectors, as the large iron overloads the front end of the detector.


2. The place was littered with inconsistent (ring once every 5 sweeps) and variable tones (ring high sweeping left, right low sweeping right). Also lots of feint scratching.

I do believe you answered your own statement here. You stated down a few lines that you had you sensitivity set at full range. A trashy area is not a good place to be running max. sensitivity. Places like this need to be hunted with a low sensitivity. Just because you had to raise your coil off the ground, doesn't always necessary relate to loss depth. If the detector circuits were being overloaded by the ground or a lot of metal, there can be some gains had by raising the coil 3" 4" off the earth.


3. Many of the times when i attempted to dig said inconsistent / variable tones, I ended up losing the tone completely. It was almost as if the tone existed in the dirt formation, but once I disturbed the formation, the tone was gone.

This sounds like it could have been caused by your high sensitivity setting :shrug:


4. The entire area was covered with flattened long grass and leaves, meaning prior to cleaning an area of said plant carcasses, my sweeps were already 3-4 inches off the ground.

I was using my Fisher F2 w/ the 8" coil at full sensitivity and iron discriminated (as mentioned before).

Questions for the experts:

1. In an area like this where you are forced to sweep 3-4 inches off the ground, is it pretty much futile to attempt it with a entry level model like the Fisher F2 due to its limited depth?

Entry level didn't have as much to do with it as the wrong settings, wrong coil ??, wrong sweep speed. No disrespect meant, but experience will dictate to you the way to hunt areas like that. A place like that would be tough for anyone, with any detector.
Question for you: Was there a reason why you didn't use the 4" coil, It may have been your best option ????
:)


3. What causes the inconsistent and variable responses. Is that an object that is too deep for the detector to handle or is it soil formation creating a false signal of some sort.

See above answers


Mr. Bill
 
Try hunting with no discrimination and lower the sensitivity a little. Iron will many times give a low and high tone. If you discriminate iron out you will only hear the high tone. It seems like a lot to listen to for awhile but in a short time you will learn to ignore the low tones. It also gives you a better idea of what is in the ground your hunting. Hope this helps.
 
[quote Mr.Bill]
Entry level didn't have as much to do with it as the wrong settings, wrong coil ??, wrong sweep speed. No disrespect meant, but experience will dictate to you the way to hunt areas like that. A place like that would be tough for anyone, with any detector.
Question for you: Was there a reason why you didn't use the 4" coil, It may have been your best option ????
:)[/quote]

I must admit once I got there and realized how trashy it was, I wish I had my 4". My only concern was the loss of depth combined with the fact I had to sweep 3-4" inches off the ground already. It sounds like from replies that I'm getting though that sweeping it 3-4" off the ground won't necessarily lose that much depth.

Also, I'm definitely a beginner at best, so I'm willing to accept the fact it's because of my lack of skill and not the limitations of the detector. :)
 
Cal,

Even in good conditions there is an optimum coil height when sweeping over the ground. Usually it is between 1 and 2". The manual should give you that information.

Tom
 
I have been metal detecting 29 years and I'm here to tell you that is a very tought site for someone who has been detecting many years.It can be very frustrating. The F2 is a good detector. So listen to what other more experienced hunters are saying and hope you find some good stuff. No doubt it is there just very tough to get.....Jack
 
One other thing. If there is a metal detecting club near, then you should join it. There will be more experienced hunters there that may can help you....Jack
 
Just a little info on some of the things you might find while digging up some of those large iron hit you are getting that might just be of intrest to you as not all iron hit are bad targets
1. Crosscut saws
t2. old log mark hammers(some are worth quite alot)
3. Someones stash of cash put into a cast iron pot for safe keeping
4. old cast iron pots/pans antiques?
5.the list gos on????
think about where your detecting and what your really looking for your junk someone elses treasure
besides that as a new detector owner you should dig it all for a few hours so you can tell what your detectors trying to tell you,and aways
RECHECK YOUR HOLES FOR ANOTHER TARGET
 
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