I hunted a small area in a trashy park today with an Explorer 11 and what I found was mind boggling. I have hunted this picnic grove with every detector made including the lightning fast F75 with a small coil. The only change to the iron mask 10 setup was I put fast on and deep off. I didn't even put my Sunray x-8 coil on and I used the stock 11 coil. I hunted slow and slower and the trash was every 6 inches. I have been reading about the fast computer on the etrac and how it will make all the other Explorers outdated in short order, but the old Explorer 11 proved it's worth today. I have come to the conclusion that if a detector is a slow recovery type, you have to go slow to get results. I have tried every detector made except for the SE and Etrac and I always come back to the Explorer. In a 30 foot by 30 foot trash hole, I found 14 wheat pennies, 2 mercs, 1 barber dime, 1 silver washington, 2 buffs, and 1 V nickle. I had just taken the f75 with a small coil and a Tesoro Vaquero with a 5.75 coil over this spot in the last month and a half. All the coins were 6 to 9 inches deep and I actually thought that somebody planted the coins because I was finding them so fast. I have said many times in the past that some days a person is on top of their game and today was one of those days for me. I spent two hours or less detecting today and it might be one of the best days I ever had. Now, if I can only duplicate what happened today! R.L.
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Eye Opening Experience
- Thread starter RLOH
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Larry (IL)
Well-known member
I don't know about the ET, but I had the XS and now the SE Pro and when hunted SLOW, it brings out the best in the Explorers. With the X-8 at the same ultra slow speed, you should find more goodies yet in that same spot R.L.. I really have a hard time hunting that slow so I know I'm missing stuff.
Recovery speed isn't everything as you have found out RL.
The Explorer is hard one to figure out as far as what its limitations should be in trash.
All I know is that it works and works really well and after someone masters it, makes it a hard act to follow.
Hey, don't feel bad, I have never tried the Exp2, SE or the Etrac, still using my old XS but I know it well and have confidence with it.
I am wondering what a small coil would do for you there, like a 5 or 6". If you have a lot of iron trash there, they should help you pick out even more goodies, if it mostly non-ferrous trash, the stock or 8" should be fine.
HH,
Steve
The Explorer is hard one to figure out as far as what its limitations should be in trash.
All I know is that it works and works really well and after someone masters it, makes it a hard act to follow.
Hey, don't feel bad, I have never tried the Exp2, SE or the Etrac, still using my old XS but I know it well and have confidence with it.
I am wondering what a small coil would do for you there, like a 5 or 6". If you have a lot of iron trash there, they should help you pick out even more goodies, if it mostly non-ferrous trash, the stock or 8" should be fine.
HH,
Steve
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
I bought a F-75 because I thought the faster speed might find stuff my explorer missed. Didn't seem to be the case at all. I think coil geometry has more to do with masking than processing speed. So I have some doubts whether the Etrac will do better than the older machines. Time will tell.
Chris
Chris
Jim upstate NY
New member
the SE has nothing on the II, besides being black and the pinpointing, which I really prefer the II type pinpoint over the vco anyway, I dont see it being any faster, and while the etrac does seem faster, if you go slow enough in the trash with the explorer you wont leave much for an etrac user.. I know I aint finding much in my explorer pounded sites... some people claim to be, but in my opinion either my machine is broke, or they just weren't that good with the explorer 
The etrac does seem a bit better in the iron as far as picking the targets out faster, but with that comes much more iron falsing than you get with an explorer in iron mask and ferrous
The etrac does seem a bit better in the iron as far as picking the targets out faster, but with that comes much more iron falsing than you get with an explorer in iron mask and ferrous
I agree with Jim, an experience Explorer user will not leave much in the junk that other will hear. You will leave stuff for sure--but will others hear it?????
I personally liked my E2 better than the SE. Always felt the cursor jumped less. Maybe due to the slower processor but I liked the fact that the cursor seemed to lock better. But now I primarily use tones so cursor movement is not all that important to me. What I see on the E-Trac is that one needs to be pretty screen dependent as too many things sound the same. One the Explorers, I can tell the difference b/wn a silver and clad time. Very slight tone difference, but I can hear it. Same with a Wheaties and a silver. When I bench tested the E-Trac at a local dealers, they all sounded the same to me.
Maybe I'm just not open minded enough to learn the E-Trac. But I do OK with the SE so If the E-Trac is not my cup of tea, I don;t think I will be to concerned that people are running circles around me.
Just my take.
Ron
I personally liked my E2 better than the SE. Always felt the cursor jumped less. Maybe due to the slower processor but I liked the fact that the cursor seemed to lock better. But now I primarily use tones so cursor movement is not all that important to me. What I see on the E-Trac is that one needs to be pretty screen dependent as too many things sound the same. One the Explorers, I can tell the difference b/wn a silver and clad time. Very slight tone difference, but I can hear it. Same with a Wheaties and a silver. When I bench tested the E-Trac at a local dealers, they all sounded the same to me.
Maybe I'm just not open minded enough to learn the E-Trac. But I do OK with the SE so If the E-Trac is not my cup of tea, I don;t think I will be to concerned that people are running circles around me.
Just my take.
Ron
coloradodigger
New member
I've had an Explorer II for about 2-1/2 years; my first and only detector.
My most abundant finds are Lincoln Memorials ... so I'm trying different settings to hunt deeper and to learn to differentiate between tones.
I've read many postings about going "slow" with the Explorer.
Does this refer to the speed of the swing or the rate of forward motion - or both?
Could someone define "slow" ... and possibly quantify it?
My most abundant finds are Lincoln Memorials ... so I'm trying different settings to hunt deeper and to learn to differentiate between tones.
I've read many postings about going "slow" with the Explorer.
Does this refer to the speed of the swing or the rate of forward motion - or both?
Could someone define "slow" ... and possibly quantify it?
RL
You are absolutely right!
I came to the same conclusion and have slowed down my sweep speed considerably on the SE. I have a high trash program setup that I use and it was created from the learn function and all the rings I've collected. It also uses "fast on" recovery.
In relic hunting I use all metal with ferrous sounds, "deep on" recovery and a very slow sweep speed around foundations. If I start sweeping too fast the processor gets confused and contaminates the audio.
One of the issues with the Whites DFX (which I own) and older XLT is that they detect deeper with a fast sweep speed. This makes it more difficult for them to be optimized in trashy areas. The SE gets around this problem by working well at a slow sweep speed.
I'll wait before jumping on the E-Trac bandwagon because my Explorer is the best machine I've ever used in "all metal", "ferrous sounds" mode.
Newer is not always better! - Edsel, M16, cherry coke and sub prime mortgages
Paul
You are absolutely right!
I came to the same conclusion and have slowed down my sweep speed considerably on the SE. I have a high trash program setup that I use and it was created from the learn function and all the rings I've collected. It also uses "fast on" recovery.
In relic hunting I use all metal with ferrous sounds, "deep on" recovery and a very slow sweep speed around foundations. If I start sweeping too fast the processor gets confused and contaminates the audio.
One of the issues with the Whites DFX (which I own) and older XLT is that they detect deeper with a fast sweep speed. This makes it more difficult for them to be optimized in trashy areas. The SE gets around this problem by working well at a slow sweep speed.
I'll wait before jumping on the E-Trac bandwagon because my Explorer is the best machine I've ever used in "all metal", "ferrous sounds" mode.
Newer is not always better! - Edsel, M16, cherry coke and sub prime mortgages
Paul