Just wondering what is deepest coin anyone has found with the Explorer II? I did not have the funds to get the SE but found an Explorer II for a real good price. The Explorer is equipped with the newer minelab pro coil. Any one with experience on the Explorer II please give me your opinion. Thanks, Keith
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EXPLORER II DEPTH?
- Thread starter Dig It
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EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
You'll not regret it it is a fine machine. They should all get about the same depth their all FBS. That being said on fathers day back last decade shortly after getting one I dug a barber quarter with the stock 1050 coil (heavy coil) at a fully burried depth gauge on mine and it had to be 10-12" deep in black soil running factory settings (semi-auto16) (deep on) as I just got it a few weeks earlier and was trying to learn it. Your ground mineralization and iron content will have an effect on depth and it's going to do the same for any machine.
sgoss66
Well-known member
Hey, Dig It -- you got an excellent machine. There were a few upgrades done to the SE Pro as compared to the II -- but of the two most important (in my opinion), you GOT one of them...since your machine includes the non-stock-for-an-Explorer-II PRO coil! The other improvement that I think may have been among the best is the pinpoint function on the SE; having said that, I do not think depth was improved during the progression of Explorer models. You have quite a good unit -- get out and enjoy it, and don't worry about it being older than an SE...it's a great machine!
Steve
Steve
I have that same combo...and it's LETHAL
While I also have an E-trac and use the SE as my main machine....the EX2 is the smoothest of the explorers...and every bit as deep.
If it wasn't for the pinpoint feature on the SE...and the fact that I feel the SE does better in iron for me...the EX2 would probably be my main machine.
Each of the explorers is more than capable...and WILL hit an 8" deep silver dime right out of the box in the bone stock factory settings in my IL soil.
You have a GREAT machine and a great coil on it....ENJOY!
While I also have an E-trac and use the SE as my main machine....the EX2 is the smoothest of the explorers...and every bit as deep.
If it wasn't for the pinpoint feature on the SE...and the fact that I feel the SE does better in iron for me...the EX2 would probably be my main machine.
Each of the explorers is more than capable...and WILL hit an 8" deep silver dime right out of the box in the bone stock factory settings in my IL soil.
You have a GREAT machine and a great coil on it....ENJOY!
triplehooked
Member
Hey Bryce
Why use the SE over the E-trac?
Thanks,
T
Why use the SE over the E-trac?
Thanks,
T
Big Boys Hobbies
Well-known member
It's just as deep!
Dave-IL said:
No? I know its not true id-ing whilst IN pinpoint but try this with an EXII or an XS especially on iffy signals - pinpoint on and SLOWLY move the coil until the loudest signal is achieved - put the coil on the ground and switch the pinpoint off - VERY carefully wiggle the coil left to right over the spot and the 1st tone/digits - heard /shown will give a truer indication of the target - still with me? now do the same again from 2 or 3 different angles and if only 1 target in the ground you should get the same response every time - HOWEVER if there's 2 targets in the ground close together the pinpoint will pull toward what it considers to be the larger target - this is when coming in from a different angle helps - If I only get 1 good id from 3 directions I'll dig and I usually find a good target next to iron - its a slow process I know but worth it.
Excellent post and great info but the ratcheting type of pinpoint on the SE is a whole different ballgame.
I started out learning the Explorers and was very lucky... as I had the benefit of hunting with Bryce every time he went.
He beat into my head the importance of going slower than slow as well as paying attention to little chirps.
I started out using the EX2 but went to the SE before long because of how he was able to use the ID'ing pinpoint feature as another aid in making the decision of whether or not to dig.
I use the process you described but on many instances am able to have the added process of ID'ing while in the all metal mode. It just adds a whole new world to helping ID iffy targets and deciding whether or not to dig.
The Explorer 2 was a very stable and deep machine for me but I just prefer the SE for the reasons stated.
I do feel the EX2 is smoother that the SE...and Bryce feels the same. He has told me more than once he would still be using the EX2 if it ID'd in the pinpoint mode.
All this being said...the response you provided is a super tip for EX2 users. GREAT info.
I started out learning the Explorers and was very lucky... as I had the benefit of hunting with Bryce every time he went.
He beat into my head the importance of going slower than slow as well as paying attention to little chirps.
I started out using the EX2 but went to the SE before long because of how he was able to use the ID'ing pinpoint feature as another aid in making the decision of whether or not to dig.
I use the process you described but on many instances am able to have the added process of ID'ing while in the all metal mode. It just adds a whole new world to helping ID iffy targets and deciding whether or not to dig.
The Explorer 2 was a very stable and deep machine for me but I just prefer the SE for the reasons stated.
I do feel the EX2 is smoother that the SE...and Bryce feels the same. He has told me more than once he would still be using the EX2 if it ID'd in the pinpoint mode.
All this being said...the response you provided is a super tip for EX2 users. GREAT info.
Dave, I'd like to comment on this, by pointing out something: For starters, I don't have the SE. Thus I'm only familiar with the PP mode on the Exp. II. And as you know, the PP all-metal mode on the Exp. II is wimpy and pathetic (monotone and ratchet feature, blah blah).
But assuming the all-metal PP mode on your SE goes deeper than your disc. mode does, be aware that EVEN THOUGH you are "discriminating while in all metal mode", yet the decision the machine is making, as to whether a target comes up to a certain tid bounce or flicker or whatever, is no deeper, than if you'd been in disc. mode. In other words: the two modes are over-laid on top of each other. And if, for example, you can get a dime to 10" deep in disc, mode (ie.; the depth to which you get a certain discernable ID or conductive indication), then you are STILL getting the dime at only 10" deep when in all-metal mixed mode. YES you will hear it perhaps down to 11" deep (the deeper level to which your all-metal mode goes deeper), but that last inch of depth (the 10" vs the 11") you are only going to be hearing it in the all-metal tone indication, not the disc. TID tone.
This has been true for all times, for all machines, that offer this mixed mode option. And all the time since the beginning, people have made the mistake of thinking that they are achieving all metal depths WHILE discriminating. It's simply not true. Yes you are attaining all metal depths, but the trigger point of wherver your disc. could reach, is simply laid over the the top of that all-metal sound. Am I making sense?
The reason it *seems* like you/we are getting deeper in the mixed modes, is because of the subconscious reaction of tending to be drawn to double check those deeper whispers. And then sure, once you are drawn to double check things (ie.: center your coil better over them, cross cross them, play with swing speeds, etc...), then sure, you can often time "bring them in" with a centered signal. And if you had merely been in disc. mode, perhaps you would not have been drawn to double check various signals, because of course, perhaps you simply didn't hear them to begin with. But no, you're not discriminating deeper, when going to the mixed mode options of any machine.
But assuming the all-metal PP mode on your SE goes deeper than your disc. mode does, be aware that EVEN THOUGH you are "discriminating while in all metal mode", yet the decision the machine is making, as to whether a target comes up to a certain tid bounce or flicker or whatever, is no deeper, than if you'd been in disc. mode. In other words: the two modes are over-laid on top of each other. And if, for example, you can get a dime to 10" deep in disc, mode (ie.; the depth to which you get a certain discernable ID or conductive indication), then you are STILL getting the dime at only 10" deep when in all-metal mixed mode. YES you will hear it perhaps down to 11" deep (the deeper level to which your all-metal mode goes deeper), but that last inch of depth (the 10" vs the 11") you are only going to be hearing it in the all-metal tone indication, not the disc. TID tone.
This has been true for all times, for all machines, that offer this mixed mode option. And all the time since the beginning, people have made the mistake of thinking that they are achieving all metal depths WHILE discriminating. It's simply not true. Yes you are attaining all metal depths, but the trigger point of wherver your disc. could reach, is simply laid over the the top of that all-metal sound. Am I making sense?
The reason it *seems* like you/we are getting deeper in the mixed modes, is because of the subconscious reaction of tending to be drawn to double check those deeper whispers. And then sure, once you are drawn to double check things (ie.: center your coil better over them, cross cross them, play with swing speeds, etc...), then sure, you can often time "bring them in" with a centered signal. And if you had merely been in disc. mode, perhaps you would not have been drawn to double check various signals, because of course, perhaps you simply didn't hear them to begin with. But no, you're not discriminating deeper, when going to the mixed mode options of any machine.
I can ID on the smartscreen (watch cursor flutter, placement, movement) when in the pinpoint mode on the SE and you cannot do so on the Explorer 2.
I stated I use this as an added tool to aid in making the final decision on whether or not I dig...and I can't do so on the EX2 because it doesn't have the feature of ID'ing all metal pinpoint or the tone and volume modulated audio response like the SE does.
That same modulated audio response of the pinpoint makes the Sunray probe hone in on targets much better for me too.
I stated I use this as an added tool to aid in making the final decision on whether or not I dig...and I can't do so on the EX2 because it doesn't have the feature of ID'ing all metal pinpoint or the tone and volume modulated audio response like the SE does.
That same modulated audio response of the pinpoint makes the Sunray probe hone in on targets much better for me too.