Excal II tone differences.

[RichW]

I bought a 2nd Excal II a couple of weeks ago. The new one doesn't seem to have as much tone variation as the 1st one i bought. All the tones sound higher on the new machine. Anyone else experience tone differences between Excal II's? Thanks.

 

[erikk]

I have the Blue, Yellow & Excal 2 They all sound different Sooooo dig it all & your problem is solved

 

[obxsabresfan]

erikk,


in your opinion, do you prefer the blue over the ll? I'm on the market for a excalibur and have done alot of reading and it seems the "blue" is the prefered machine?

 

[Neil]

Ive never had two together to compare but Ive got a newer Excal II and I would say dont worry about it and just learn what youve got! Dont let thinking kill your joy!

 

[hershey1]

When you get that gold tone down you won't forget it it's kind of like the silver tone on a Minelab. But until you learn the Excals different tones whether through testing different targets or experience dig every signal. That low growl tone about neck deep is a nice sound but it is a lot better when you are only knee deep in calm water. Good luck get out there and practice the rewards from your ears will hopefully be in your scoop. HH

 

[erikk]

If you really care about tones just glue a nickel inside the toe of your boot sand scan it once and a while. It is the only tone you want to hear

 

[don tyler]

If you listen to what most hunters are saying, I would not worry so much about tone as i would a faint signal or any signal that tells me there is something in the ground or in the water. You will walk right over gold rings by second guessing, I lost a lot of my hearing, but does not stop me from finding gold, i do not care about tone I care about something that is there and i dig it, Hope this helps ,Good luck hunting Don Tyler Merrimack,NH

 

[RichW]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm no newby, I got my 1st Excal II shortly after they came out. I know the tones with this machine, I know the sounds nickels, gold, silver etc. I do dig everything other than the obvious iron signals. A few weeks back I bought a new Excal !! because i needed a backup. I'm saying the tones on the new machine are different from the tones on my 1st Excal. Nickels and small gold rings have a higher tone on the new machine. From reading all the posts I guess tone variation is a common occurance between Excals. That's all I needed to know. Not a big problem and nothing I can't work with. I'll just stick with one machine until it goes down then I'll adjust to the other Excal. Many thanks to all who replied.

 

[erikk]

I like the Blue because I can tell can slaw 99%-I still dig it but my guess is seldom wrong. Also the tones are more varied but again I dig it all. Also I have WOT's on my Blue & Yellow so they get used the most. The excal 2 is for the really rough surf due to it's having smaller coil, but that will change once the warranty expires. It will also get the Peltor muffs. I hunt a lot all year & need backups in the event 1 or 2 need repairs. I once was caught with an excal & an Infinium needing repairs & was down 2 my last excal which was an 8 inch coil. I have since changes the situation
If the old Blue is in good shape & price is right go for it

 

[Rick(ND)]

The tones should be the same or so close you may never tell the difference, if it was new ask your dealer, if it was used or from a privite party it may have been tinkered with or have a Dixe Mod done to it as I think it can be done to them like the Sovereign as this would make the tones higher and even hard to tell some apart. Either way I would contact the person you got it from and see what they have to say.

Rick

 

[mesha]

Your ability to hear different tones/frequency change with age. Try this link with a few people of different ages and you will see what I mean
http://www.freemosquitoringtones.org/

 

[erikk]

The tones should be the same or so close you may never tell the difference, if it was new ask your dealer, if it was used or from a privite party it may have been tinkered with or have a Dixe Mod done to it as I think it can be done to them like the Sovereign as this would make the tones higher and even hard to tell some apart. Either way I would contact the person you got it from and see what they have to say.

Rick

My excal 2 was built in Ireland and was one of the first ones out-My friend bought one 6 months ago that was made in Malaysia. Both were bought new and there is a distinct difference in tones from each. Nothing earth shattering and if one is either new to excals or only has one will never know the difference and it will work just fine. It is only when switching between several different excals that you will notice the changes and since I dig the beeps not a problem for me

 

[RichW]

That is exactly what I was referring to. I have 1 built in Ireland (the older one) and 1 built in Malaysia I bought from a dealer a few weeks back. Both were bought new and no one has tampered with either. The tones are different, not a great deal but they are different. The new one built in Malaysia seems to be working fine, i dug some deep coins with it at the beach this morning (including some deep nickels) All the tones on the newer one seem slightly higher than the older one built in Ireland. Again, performance so far seems about equal. ( no problem with my hearing.....yet.) Thanks for your post erikk ! I think new ones bought in Malaysia might take a little time to get used to if you are used to the older ones. I'm already getting used to my new one. I'll probably pick one and stick with it unless it goes down. Thanks to all who replied.

RichW

 

[Tony in FL]

That is exactly what I was referring to. I have 1 built in Ireland (the older one) and 1 built in Malaysia I bought from a dealer a few weeks back. Both were bought new and no one has tampered with either. The tones are different, not a great deal but they are different. The new one built in Malaysia seems to be working fine, i dug some deep coins with it at the beach this morning (including some deep nickels) All the tones on the newer one seem slightly higher than the older one built in Ireland. Again, performance so far seems about equal. ( no problem with my hearing.....yet.) Thanks for your post erikk ! I think new ones bought in Malaysia might take a little time to get used to if you are used to the older ones. I'm already getting used to my new one. I'll probably pick one and stick with it unless it goes down. Thanks to all who replied.

RichW

I bought an Excalibur II in 2009. Toward the end of 2010 I briefly used a new one from Malaysia. I did notice that the tones did seem to be different, basically shifted slightly. However in this particular case the one from Malaysia seemed to have tones that were shifted slightly LOWER than the older one. Note that they were both Excalibur II's with a 10 inch coil. If you are noticing that the one from Malaysia seems to have tones that are HIGHER than an older Excalibur II, then I have to wonder if there is some kind of setting or part that is not consistent on the newer ones thus allowing for tonal variations.

 

[kered]

To me it is the Headphones that make the difference, my first Excalibur was the blue headphoned 1000 and to me the tones were richer than the new excalibur ll(both made in ireland) since changing to the peltor mod i have regained some of the richness for all the transducers in the headphones are the same ones, just changed to a better housing.

 

[GONGA]

the way I use my excal is I run it in pp and when i strike a target I flick i over to discrimination,if i get a tone i dig and no tone i dont dig...can gold be missed this way.Does the disc work all the way down to the very faint signals. I can pick the bottletops but thats it ,i usually have disc at 1 is that too low whats the best level of disc to go to reduce bottlecaps without losing the coins and gold...im not sure if im just not good with the excal or i am doing something wrong along the line...i have never really had luck with it like u guys have...any tips would be great

 

[Tony in FL]

the way I use my excal is I run it in pp and when i strike a target I flick i over to discrimination,if i get a tone i dig and no tone i dont dig...can gold be missed this way.Does the disc work all the way down to the very faint signals. I can pick the bottletops but thats it ,i usually have disc at 1 is that too low whats the best level of disc to go to reduce bottlecaps without losing the coins and gold...im not sure if im just not good with the excal or i am doing something wrong along the line...i have never really had luck with it like u guys have...any tips would be great

I think most Excal users, when using disc, typically keep it set at or near the minimum. Train your ears to discriminate as much as possible and when in doubt consider digging it. Sometimes I hunt in pinpoint and switch to disc to check on the target. But more often I hunt in desc (although I may start hunting in pinpoint more as this may have a depth advantage). Someone correct me if I am wrong, but unless you hunt in pinpoint and dig every little signal, included changes in threshold, I believe there will always be at least a slight chance of missing gold as it could be deep and/or masked with iron or other targets. It becomes a trade off i.e. dig more lower probability targets or dig less higher probability targets. For any given hunt your decision might be based upon hunting preference, amount of time available, amount of trash targets, etc.

 

[erikk]

the way I use my excal is I run it in pp and when i strike a target I flick i over to discrimination,if i get a tone i dig and no tone i dont dig...can gold be missed this way.Does the disc work all the way down to the very faint signals. I can pick the bottletops but thats it ,i usually have disc at 1 is that too low whats the best level of disc to go to reduce bottlecaps without losing the coins and gold...im not sure if im just not good with the excal or i am doing something wrong along the line...i have never really had luck with it like u guys have...any tips would be great

Hunt in disc, threshold slight hummm, vol-max, sens 12 to 1 o'clock disc 0/1 then all you need is some luck

 

[Au79finger]

the way I use my excal is I run it in pp and when i strike a target I flick i over to discrimination,if i get a tone i dig and no tone i dont dig...can gold be missed this way.Does the disc work all the way down to the very faint signals. I can pick the bottletops but thats it ,i usually have disc at 1 is that too low whats the best level of disc to go to reduce bottlecaps without losing the coins and gold...im not sure if im just not good with the excal or i am doing something wrong along the line...i have never really had luck with it like u guys have...any tips would be great

Gonga, I only have 25 hrs. on the excal II,so I'am no expert,but I don't think you are doing anything wrong by digging everything but iron.I hunt the same way you do. My machine is deffinetly deeper in PP mode. I have located in PP then disc for iron and no response. Dig a scoop widden the hole recheck in disc and get good response. I dont trust hunting in disc. Don't think you will miss the gold by digging everything but iron. Thats my strategy for now. Haven't found anything but costume jewelry,sunglasses and clad so far. Invest in a good long handle scoop and dig it all! Good Luck

 

[erikk]

the way I use my excal is I run it in pp and when i strike a target I flick i over to discrimination,if i get a tone i dig and no tone i dont dig...can gold be missed this way.Does the disc work all the way down to the very faint signals. I can pick the bottletops but thats it ,i usually have disc at 1 is that too low whats the best level of disc to go to reduce bottlecaps without losing the coins and gold...im not sure if im just not good with the excal or i am doing something wrong along the line...i have never really had luck with it like u guys have...any tips would be great

Gonga, I only have 25 hrs. on the excal II,so I'am no expert,but I don't think you are doing anything wrong by digging everything but iron.I hunt the same way you do. My machine is deffinetly deeper in PP mode. I have located in PP then disc for iron and no response. Dig a scoop widden the hole recheck in disc and get good response. I dont trust hunting in disc. Don't think you will miss the gold by digging everything but iron. Thats my strategy for now. Haven't found anything but costume jewelry,sunglasses and clad so far. Invest in a good long handle scoop and dig it all! Good Luck

Maybe that should tell U something! I am no expert either but I have thousands of hours on the excal.... 3 gold, 1 silver this week & I NEVER hunt in PP