Excal 11

[jspoon]

Do most of you beach hunters use disc. and if so will this machine skip bobby pins and still hit gold?
Thanks still tire kickin!

 

[Steve from Ohio]

I was on the treasure coast today and conditions were pretty bad. Everything was sanded in.

I was able to get some change and a nice little sterling religious medal that discriminate would not pick up.

I always use pin point (AM) on the Excalibur II 1000 and use discriminate only to check to see if it is iron or steel.

Some may say different, but all metal (pin point) is far more sensitive at least to me.

Most of the pros and heavy hitters that have been using the Excalibur for many years, use pin point exclusively.

Discrimination is for those who do not want to dig up gold rings and chains.

 

[jspoon]

I was on the treasure coast today and conditions were pretty bad. Everything was sanded in.

I was able to get some change and a nice little sterling religious medal that discriminate would not pick up.

I always use pin point (AM) on the Excalibur II 1000 and use discriminate only to check to see if it is iron or steel.

Some may say different, but all metal (pin point) is far more sensitive at least to me.

Most of the pros and heavy hitters that have been using the Excalibur for many years, use pin point exclusively.

Discrimination is for those who do not want to dig up gold rings and chains.

Thank you steve " Discrimination is for those who do not want to dig up gold rings and chains" I had to laugh, anyway that brings up the point of my question and that is since disc will miss the gold I was thinking I may as well go with a PI machine for less $ since I would have to dig all signals with a PI and the same with the Xcal? I was hoping I could disc out iron but still go deep on the gold.
HH John

 

[Bling]

iv been useing Excal's and Sovereign's for 10 years and always run IN Disc but set at 0 and find many Gold earing studs @ 8" so i dont think im missing any rings.i found 102 last year ,some very thin and small with diamonds on them..with the iron null the Minelabs have is all the disc i need. iv done many tests and see no diff in depth PP or disc..iv never found a good target i could here in PP and not disc,with it set at 0. i have found a gold ring and a nail in the same hole...so that tells me my iron mask is working just great! but metal detectors are like cars,everyone drives them a little diff so trial and error is a great way to go and see what works best for you.

 

[Critterhunter]

I bet PP being deeper on some Excaliburs is either due to different tuning at the factory or the electronics being different in some way from one unit to the other. Maybe newer Excaliburs have a newer version of the Sovereign stuffed in them? All I can say is I've read the same debate with the Sovereigns and at least for me my GT does NOT seem to go deeper in pin point. There have been many deep targets that I could hear loud and clear in discriminate that didn't even give a whisper in pinpoint. Now, I haven't specificly tested that to be sure but for now it looks that way until I've done this more.

What I do wonder about is All Metal Fixed on the GT. I would expect tracking to track out very deep targets, at least if you keep sweeping over them, but fixed might very well go deeper than Discriminate. I want to test that myself next time I'm on the beach. I'm also curious if Pinpoint on the GT uses the All Metal ground setting as it's reference point to work from? I hear ground balance is disabled in Pinpoint and of course the GT doesn't need or use a ground balance in discriminate. I would at least figure that All Metal Fixed might very well get deeper than Discriminate if anything is going to. That also brings up another interesting question. Perhaps Pinpoint on some Sovereigns is using a ground balance setting that's set at the factory to work from. In that case it might very well get deeper but then I'd only expect that to be in certain ground conditions. From what I hear Pinpoint doesn't use any ground balance so this is all probably wrong.

 

[crazyman]

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[OldBeechnut]

crazyman
I would think mineralization plays a roll on all metal depth vs. discriminate depth

I agree 100%, plus Sometimes I do think certain detectors {of the same model} are hotter then others.{I think My 8 inch is hotter then the 10 inch xcal}. But the matrix of the sand and the salt content of the water plays the major roll in depth of any detector. That's why you see such a difference of post on what works best for this guy and not others in the AM vers. Disc...different areas..for me Am works most of the places I hunt, but when I go to Florida's Gulf-side Discrimination is the better of the two. Being able to know what to run your settings at within a certain amount of time when you hit the beach comes with experience's, even with that I'm still playing with the dials when I get a slight disturbances of the threshold. Joe

102 last year, Bling.............WTG you pirate

 

[Critterhunter]

That makes perfect sense and sort of along the lines I was thinking, though in my mind I'd thinking perhaps pinpoint uses some "form" of ground balance (even if it's set at the factory and isn't what All Metal is using) and so it goes deeper for some people in the area they live.

 

[kered]

On an excalibur Pinpoint is all metal, there are only 2 modes either disc or pinpoint unlike the Sov GT.

All metal pinpoint mode is deeper for me too

 

[erikk]

I was on the treasure coast today and conditions were pretty bad. Everything was sanded in.

I was able to get some change and a nice little sterling religious medal that discriminate would not pick up.

I always use pin point (AM) on the Excalibur II 1000 and use discriminate only to check to see if it is iron or steel.

Some may say different, but all metal (pin point) is far more sensitive at least to me.

Most of the pros and heavy hitters that have been using the Excalibur for many years, use pin point exclusively.

Discrimination is for those who do not want to dig up gold rings and chains.

Thank you steve " Discrimination is for those who do not want to dig up gold rings and chains" I had to laugh, anyway that brings up the point of my question and that is since disc will miss the gold I was thinking I may as well go with a PI machine for less $ since I would have to dig all signals with a PI and the same with the Xcal? I was hoping I could disc out iron but still go deep on the gold.
HH John

I had to laugh too. Think about this: Why is it called pin point? To make finding the target easier right. So in order to do this say with a 10 inch coil it will reduce the area that the coil covers in order to shrink the target signal. So IMHO if you hunt in PP (AM) not only are you digging every metal object including iron but shrinking the size of your search area. I use a 15 inch WOT coil to get more coverage and never have switched to PP & I do pretty good on the gold