bustercrab
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This machine,would it be a silver-golden Umax type or like the Tejon...
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EURO-SABRE
- Thread starter bustercrab
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NO, it has tones for iron and with a flip of a switch it can be used with two tones to identify targets. Has all metal and audio threshold. I am curious though if its only ground balanced for all metal and has a factory set for the disc mode. Tabdog jump in here and give us a low down on that.
Im definetly gonna bid on that one thats on ebay.
HH
John
Im definetly gonna bid on that one thats on ebay.
HH
John
[size=medium]a selector to "Blank" iron trash (silence), or to give you an "Audio" mode to get a Two Tone response. This produces a low pitched tone on most typical Iron trash, and a higher pitched audio tone on most non-ferrous targets. Like all good detectors, there will be some "warbling" or" raspy" audio from some targets that are right about the tone break-point.
You can toggle to "Off" which shifts you out of the Iron Blanking or Iron Audio function and results in performance almost duplicating the Eldorado.
The Euro Sabre, like mot good Tesoro's, has a manual Ground Balance control that is tied in with BOTH the All Metal mode and the silent-search motion Discriminate mode. It also has the true ED-180 Discriminate circuitry like the Eldorado.
Personally, while it isn't the deepest seeking detector, it is a very good unit for hunting in an all metal accept setting and being able to hear iron trash. Great for working renovation sites, old homesteads, logging, railroad and mining camps, etc.
Monte[/size]
You can toggle to "Off" which shifts you out of the Iron Blanking or Iron Audio function and results in performance almost duplicating the Eldorado.
The Euro Sabre, like mot good Tesoro's, has a manual Ground Balance control that is tied in with BOTH the All Metal mode and the silent-search motion Discriminate mode. It also has the true ED-180 Discriminate circuitry like the Eldorado.
Personally, while it isn't the deepest seeking detector, it is a very good unit for hunting in an all metal accept setting and being able to hear iron trash. Great for working renovation sites, old homesteads, logging, railroad and mining camps, etc.
Monte[/size]
It is more a Silve-Golden uMax type. Euro Sabre uses uMax coils.
The Euro Sabre is not like the Tejon.
The Eldorado is like a Euro Sabre but with out the "Iron ID' feature. They have the same features except the frequency shift on the Eldorado was replaced with the "Iron ID" switch on the Euro. The Euro does not have frequency shift, Eldorado does. Operating frequency about the same but Eldorado shifts a little.
The Euro listed for about $60 more than the Eldorado. Neither are in production now.
The Vaquero replaced the Eldorado.
The Vaquaro is different form the Euro Sabre and the Eldorado. The Vaquero has a higher operating frequency and better depth. But the Euro and Eldorado have a wider range of acceptance of conductive materials than the Vaquero.
The V and both E's are great MD's, it is just a matter of what suits you.
I like the Euro Sabre. I haven't used the V but I had a Cibola. Cibola is like a Vaquero without manual ground balance. So I'm familiar with that operating frequency. The added depth was nice but I decided that I wanted all my MD's to have interchangeable coils. That way I have a wide choice of coils at less cost and hassle.
Hope that helps,
The Euro Sabre is not like the Tejon.
The Eldorado is like a Euro Sabre but with out the "Iron ID' feature. They have the same features except the frequency shift on the Eldorado was replaced with the "Iron ID" switch on the Euro. The Euro does not have frequency shift, Eldorado does. Operating frequency about the same but Eldorado shifts a little.
The Euro listed for about $60 more than the Eldorado. Neither are in production now.
The Vaquero replaced the Eldorado.
The Vaquaro is different form the Euro Sabre and the Eldorado. The Vaquero has a higher operating frequency and better depth. But the Euro and Eldorado have a wider range of acceptance of conductive materials than the Vaquero.
The V and both E's are great MD's, it is just a matter of what suits you.
I like the Euro Sabre. I haven't used the V but I had a Cibola. Cibola is like a Vaquero without manual ground balance. So I'm familiar with that operating frequency. The added depth was nice but I decided that I wanted all my MD's to have interchangeable coils. That way I have a wide choice of coils at less cost and hassle.
Hope that helps,
That gold will give a broken or double response. So does aluminum and lead and many trash items. Using quality headphones I have been fairly successful at telling the difference between these different types of responses.
I'm still new at it and I'm still digging all my targets. I'm doing it at tot lots, that makes for fast, easy recoveries.
I have made around 2,000 recoveries with the Euro Sabre. That's about where I start loosing track.
I'm getting ready for the Spring so I can zerro in on thoes goodies.
I'm still new at it and I'm still digging all my targets. I'm doing it at tot lots, that makes for fast, easy recoveries.
I have made around 2,000 recoveries with the Euro Sabre. That's about where I start loosing track.
I'm getting ready for the Spring so I can zerro in on thoes goodies.
I'll try.
I can use a bench test that Monte told me about to illustrate what I'm talking about.
Get a nail about 3" or 4" long. I got a rusty nail I use for this.
Get a bolt about 2" long and 3/8" to 1/2" in diameter. Put a nut on the end of the bolt.
Now set your Metal detector up for an air test.
Set the desc all the way down to accept all metals in the desc mode.
Now pass the nail close to the coil.
Pass the nail so that one end of the nail is pointed in the direction you are passing. In other words the tip or head is presented first.
You should get a response as each end of the nail passes the coil.
Now turn the nail so that it points at the detector when you pass it. In other words as if it were strait up and down in the ground. Only the tip is presented to the coil.
You should get one response as the end of the nail passes the coil.
Now turn the nail so that the side of the nail is presented to the coil first as it passes.
You tell me what you get.
If you have a full 180 degree range acceptance you will get good responses on the nail and bolt when presenting them in all three ways discussed.
The Euro Sabre and Eldorado will respond all three ways of presentation. The Vaquero and Cibola will give a good response in two ways of presentation, but not the third.
That should illustrate how the E&E have a wider range of acceptance of conductive materials than the V&C.
Try it and see what you get with your MD.
HH,
I can use a bench test that Monte told me about to illustrate what I'm talking about.
Get a nail about 3" or 4" long. I got a rusty nail I use for this.
Get a bolt about 2" long and 3/8" to 1/2" in diameter. Put a nut on the end of the bolt.
Now set your Metal detector up for an air test.
Set the desc all the way down to accept all metals in the desc mode.
Now pass the nail close to the coil.
Pass the nail so that one end of the nail is pointed in the direction you are passing. In other words the tip or head is presented first.
You should get a response as each end of the nail passes the coil.
Now turn the nail so that it points at the detector when you pass it. In other words as if it were strait up and down in the ground. Only the tip is presented to the coil.
You should get one response as the end of the nail passes the coil.
Now turn the nail so that the side of the nail is presented to the coil first as it passes.
You tell me what you get.
If you have a full 180 degree range acceptance you will get good responses on the nail and bolt when presenting them in all three ways discussed.
The Euro Sabre and Eldorado will respond all three ways of presentation. The Vaquero and Cibola will give a good response in two ways of presentation, but not the third.
That should illustrate how the E&E have a wider range of acceptance of conductive materials than the V&C.
Try it and see what you get with your MD.
HH,
Nobody asked that question, so I just thought I'd throw that in.
This is an extension of the previous post.
The wider acceptance of conductive materials of the Eldorado over the Vaquero really makes just a little difference. May not even be important to most detectorist.
I think the major advantage of the broader acceptance is that it can handle masking a little better.
For instance, if there is a Bobby pin close to the surface and a coin below that and a little offset. With the Eldorado you may get a response that starts like a coin response but instantly turns to a bobby pin response. When you swing the coil in the opposite direction, the opposite response may accrue. That is a bobby pin response follown instantly by a coin type of response. If you get this response to repeat, then that should clue you in that there is something there.
This same situation encountered by a Vaquaro may tend to produce a blip that's not consistent in different directions of presentation of the coil.
This gives the Eldorado and Euro Sabre a slight advantage in certain situations.
That being said. The Vaquero is one of the most versatile MD's of the Tesoro line. The excellent depth and excellent hunting characteristics make it an excellent choice for the avid MDer.
Tesoro just has a way of producing a good choice for the hobbyist.
HH
This is an extension of the previous post.
The wider acceptance of conductive materials of the Eldorado over the Vaquero really makes just a little difference. May not even be important to most detectorist.
I think the major advantage of the broader acceptance is that it can handle masking a little better.
For instance, if there is a Bobby pin close to the surface and a coin below that and a little offset. With the Eldorado you may get a response that starts like a coin response but instantly turns to a bobby pin response. When you swing the coil in the opposite direction, the opposite response may accrue. That is a bobby pin response follown instantly by a coin type of response. If you get this response to repeat, then that should clue you in that there is something there.
This same situation encountered by a Vaquaro may tend to produce a blip that's not consistent in different directions of presentation of the coil.
This gives the Eldorado and Euro Sabre a slight advantage in certain situations.
That being said. The Vaquero is one of the most versatile MD's of the Tesoro line. The excellent depth and excellent hunting characteristics make it an excellent choice for the avid MDer.
Tesoro just has a way of producing a good choice for the hobbyist.
HH