ETrac or SE pro ??????

[Elton]

Which machine seems to find more coins on a consistent basis .......???????


I have an ETrac and seems my Coin finds have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaay down... compared to the Se Pro I had...

This is a serious comment on my part..... Not trying to debate, or be funny. Anyone else have this issue.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

Just the opposite for me.

 

[Ray-Mo.]

Have had the oposite effect from the first week on.Elton,you are going to have to stick with one machine for a while and put many hours on it untill you become "one" with it so to speak.No silver bullet out there when it comes to detecters.Just need to get the top of the line unit that you mesh with and then practice,practice,practice.

And did I mention practice LOL .Good luck in your quest

 

[Larry (IL)]

The SE W/SEF 10X12 is king for me Elton but it is because I have used the Explorer family for many years and that is what I am most familiar with, I speak it's language so to speak. I'm sure that if I had as many hours on the ET, that would be my favorite as well.

It is common for anyone changing to a new detector for finds to decrease until you learn the new machine as well as you know your old one and if you don't give yourself a year to even get familiar with the new detector, you are doing yourself a big injustice IMHO. So what I'm saying is that it is not so much the detector that you are using but the person who is using it and how well he knows HOW to use it. A good example is have an "old timer" with his vintage detector that he has used "forever" and have him hunt with the guy with his new state of the art detector.......... who do you think will get blown away at the end of the day? Week? Month? Eventually Mr. new will catch up and may even surpass "old timer" but that will take time, sometimes, LOTS of time. That is why I suggest to anyone who gets a new high end detector to give it at least a year to at least get familiar with it, it may take even longer to master the beast.

Ray has the best advise, choose a high end detector and learn it, give yourself plenty of time Elton.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Etrac bah, I get more target info from my SE and it goes deeper and is immune from incorrect settings.

 

[Elton]

I just loved that Se Pro so much, and found tons with it ....... and do admit I expected better results on the get go.. The 12 number system is a bit of a mystery for me still.. So may variances for the same coin target. I also noticed a very big increase in Aluminum Screw caps I am digging and unable to identify with the Etrac..

Again thanks for reminding me of the basic law of detecting..Learn your detector !!!

 

[stasys]

Etrac bah, I get more target info from my SE and it goes deeper and is immune from incorrect settings.

How is SE Deeper? or immune from incorrect settings if Etrac have the same explorer basis? can you explain it?

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Etrac bah, I get more target info from my SE and it goes deeper and is immune from incorrect settings.

How is SE Deeper? or immune from incorrect settings if Etrac have the same explorer basis? can you explain it?

Etrac is no Explorer. I'm not saying it can't make a find, I have made finds with it, I like some of the new features, but its no Explorer SE Pro. Explorer settings are set it and forget it simple, maybe bump the sens up/down a point or two, very little tweaking required to be confident you are getting max depth with the machine. The Etrac settings on the other hand can be seriously discombobulated, user happily detecting unaware the machine is getting much less depth than the Explorer. How do I know this? Side by side field tests.

Target 1. Explorer SE see's three deeeeeep targets, iffy, about as iffy as a target can be, but there, repeatable. Etrac...no signal whatsoever. Both machines SE Pro type coil. Target was a pit of 34 Spanish 8 reales.
Target 2. Explorer SE see's screaming silver signal, no signal on the Etrac at all. Plug Etrac users headphones into Explorer and let him listen, Etrac user says wtf starts fooling with all his buttons. He eventually got a decent signal, not as good as the Explorer but decent. Target was pit of 13 Spanish 8 Reales.

Etrac user was not some noob but a very experienced hunter who has used Minelabs for years. I mysellf have used an Etrac. It has its moments, its as good at iron seperation if not better than the Explorer. But when you are hunting deeeeeeep iffy signals its no match for the Explorer. Define deeeeeep I mean almost no signal at all, cursor looks like an aggitated house fly bouncing around the screen, deeeeeep.

No offense to Etrac owners, I bought one remember.

 

[Ray-Mo.]

Quote immune from incorrect settings)

 

[Ray-Mo.]

Most of us are hunting single coins or a small pocket spill at most.Your 34 & 13 coin pits were a rare exception to the norm for the vast majority of us coin hunters.I dare say their are other machines that would work better than either of the Minelabs in question for such targets.

I have no doubt you are a master of the Explorers after all your years of practice and loads of great finds.However if you put in a few years on an E-Trac you might be favorably surprised at your results on normal coin targets.

I find depth to be the last thing I worry about on my early release model E-Trac.After having dug a number of silver dimes, Indians and Wheaties at a measured 10+ inches, with witnesses here in the MO,KS area.I was not getting this much depth the first few months until I learned what the E-Trac was telling me on ultra deep targets at my sites.What I was doing, was pulling a ton of old for my area coins out of heavy trash at the 4" to 8" range from day one at hammered public sites.

I never hunt beaches and my result are all from normal turf type hunting in medium mineral range type soils.Not every machine is for everyone but most who take the time to properly use the E-Trac get superb results just like those who do/did the same with the Explorers.

PS Having troubles with setup on the E-Trac has never been the slightest problem for me.Never had to do a factory reset in 3 years of hard use either.As mentioned earlier,putting in the time learn any machine is the secret to getting the best out of it

 

[Southwind]

The SE W/SEF 10X12 is king for me Elton but it is because I have used the Explorer family for many years and that is what I am most familiar with, I speak it's language so to speak. I'm sure that if I had as many hours on the ET, that would be my favorite as well.

Well said Larry.

 

[stasys]

Etrac bah, I get more target info from my SE and it goes deeper and is immune from incorrect settings.

How is SE Deeper? or immune from incorrect settings if Etrac have the same explorer basis? can you explain it?

Etrac is no Explorer. I'm not saying it can't make a find, I have made finds with it, I like some of the new features, but its no Explorer SE Pro. Explorer settings are set it and forget it simple, maybe bump the sens up/down a point or two, very little tweaking required to be confident you are getting max depth with the machine. The Etrac settings on the other hand can be seriously discombobulated, user happily detecting unaware the machine is getting much less depth than the Explorer. How do I know this? Side by side field tests.

Target 1. Explorer SE see's three deeeeeep targets, iffy, about as iffy as a target can be, but there, repeatable. Etrac...no signal whatsoever. Both machines SE Pro type coil. Target was a pit of 34 Spanish 8 reales.
Target 2. Explorer SE see's screaming silver signal, no signal on the Etrac at all. Plug Etrac users headphones into Explorer and let him listen, Etrac user says wtf starts fooling with all his buttons. He eventually got a decent signal, not as good as the Explorer but decent. Target was pit of 13 Spanish 8 Reales.

Etrac user was not some noob but a very experienced hunter who has used Minelabs for years. I mysellf have used an Etrac. It has its moments, its as good at iron seperation if not better than the Explorer. But when you are hunting deeeeeeep iffy signals its no match for the Explorer. Define deeeeeep I mean almost no signal at all, cursor looks like an aggitated house fly bouncing around the screen, deeeeeep.

No offense to Etrac owners, I bought one remember.

Charles what are you said is a bit not true, have all explorers and etrac. Open etrac and explorer control panel and look inside and compare them. what is best works on Etrac its what it was not changed from any explorer;s,xs,2,se, but not what Minelab glued to it, like 2tones or 4 tones, the rest is the same old explorer with faster brains. I detect all the time without discrimination, response Long, manual sensitivity in TTF and sometimes use Tone 1 and till now dont see much different. Try to use Tone 1 and tell me what is the different between explorer and etrac. With discrimination its not much compare between this two detectors, etrac is winner. what explorer better does its less false on iron less compare to etrac.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Most of us are hunting single coins or a small pocket spill at most.Your 34 & 13 coin pits were a rare exception to the norm for the vast majority of us coin hunters.I dare say their are other machines that would work better than either of the Minelabs in question for such targets.

I have no doubt you are a master of the Explorers after all your years of practice and loads of great finds.However if you put in a few years on an E-Trac you might be favorably surprised at your results on normal coin targets.

I find depth to be the last thing I worry about on my early release model E-Trac.After having dug a number of silver dimes, Indians and Wheaties at a measured 10+ inches, with witnesses here in the MO,KS area.I was not getting this much depth the first few months until I learned what the E-Trac was telling me on ultra deep targets at my sites.What I was doing, was pulling a ton of old for my area coins out of heavy trash at the 4" to 8" range from day one at hammered public sites.

I never hunt beaches and my result are all from normal turf type hunting in medium mineral range type soils.Not every machine is for everyone but most who take the time to properly use the E-Trac get superb results just like those who do/did the same with the Explorers.

PS Having troubles with setup on the E-Trac has never been the slightest problem for me.Never had to do a factory reset in 3 years of hard use either.As mentioned earlier,putting in the time learn any machine is the secret to getting the best out of it

Yes anyone can run the Explorer at peak performance ON DAY ONE. We dispelled that myth about how you had to run the cripled factory settings for 6 months to 'learn' the machine, complete waste of time. Are they going to be digging the worst of the worst signals? No but they will be running the machine at optimum settings and making great finds on day one.

You can dismiss head to head field results if you like, its not going to change the fact that the Explorer locked right on to an 8 reale hard that the Etrac couldn't even get a signal on. I have gone head to head against E-Trac's numerous times in the field, its a decent machine but the Explorer is more advanced and gives you WAY more target information and in my field tests on the most difficult targets goes deeper. When your digging those targets its all about information and that's my big issue with the Etrac, they took away a lot of my information when they designed that machine. When you are digging targets in the zone where numeric target ID is useless and the cursor is jumping from bottle cap to nickel to nail to lead and the tone ID is likewise all over the map its all about information. Cursor bounce patterns and cursor lock patterns are target information. Jumping around tones and the shape of tones are information. The size of the target as you sweep across it is information. The shape of the target as you sweep across it is information. Raising your coil off the ground a few inches is information. On the absolute worst targets you don't even get that, you might get what sounds like tics and static and the cursor might not even move.

Well that's my opinion, there's a 100 million opinions on the internet that's mine.

Charles

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Etrac bah, I get more target info from my SE and it goes deeper and is immune from incorrect settings.

How is SE Deeper? or immune from incorrect settings if Etrac have the same explorer basis? can you explain it?

Etrac is no Explorer. I'm not saying it can't make a find, I have made finds with it, I like some of the new features, but its no Explorer SE Pro. Explorer settings are set it and forget it simple, maybe bump the sens up/down a point or two, very little tweaking required to be confident you are getting max depth with the machine. The Etrac settings on the other hand can be seriously discombobulated, user happily detecting unaware the machine is getting much less depth than the Explorer. How do I know this? Side by side field tests.

Target 1. Explorer SE see's three deeeeeep targets, iffy, about as iffy as a target can be, but there, repeatable. Etrac...no signal whatsoever. Both machines SE Pro type coil. Target was a pit of 34 Spanish 8 reales.
Target 2. Explorer SE see's screaming silver signal, no signal on the Etrac at all. Plug Etrac users headphones into Explorer and let him listen, Etrac user says wtf starts fooling with all his buttons. He eventually got a decent signal, not as good as the Explorer but decent. Target was pit of 13 Spanish 8 Reales.

Etrac user was not some noob but a very experienced hunter who has used Minelabs for years. I mysellf have used an Etrac. It has its moments, its as good at iron seperation if not better than the Explorer. But when you are hunting deeeeeeep iffy signals its no match for the Explorer. Define deeeeeep I mean almost no signal at all, cursor looks like an aggitated house fly bouncing around the screen, deeeeeep.

No offense to Etrac owners, I bought one remember.

Charles what are you said is a bit not true, have all explorers and etrac. Open etrac and explorer control panel and look inside and compare them. what is best works on Etrac its what it was not changed from any explorer;s,xs,2,se, but not what Minelab glued to it, like 2tones or 4 tones, the rest is the same old explorer with faster brains. I detect all the time without discrimination, response Long, manual sensitivity in TTF and sometimes use Tone 1 and till now dont see much different. Try to use Tone 1 and tell me what is the different between explorer and etrac. With discrimination its not much compare between this two detectors, etrac is winner. what explorer better does its less false on iron less compare to etrac.

You are entitled to your opinion, mine is that the Etrac is vastly different from the Explorer in some very important aspects. I won't debate it, you have your opinion I have mine.