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Encrusted Finds

bdahunter

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Hello All:
I'm a beach hunter in Bermuda and I've got a problem I need your help with solving. I had two very deep finds yesterday at the beach in one of the earliest settled parts of Bermuda. The first item flat and oval with a black oxide and white sand encrustation weighing about 1 lb. I tried soaking it in a vinegar solution to break up the crust but this didn't do much good, so I tried to chip off the crust and the piece crumbled into a dozen pieces. BAD IDEA :rant:
The 2nd piece is a sphere about 4 inches across with the same encrustation as the first piece, it weighs approximately 10 lbs.
I'm guessing cannon shot but I don't know yet and I certainly don't want to ruin this piece by improper cleaning.
Sure could use your expertise at cleaning old finds to deal with this problem.

BDA:detecting:
 
Put the cannon ball in a bucket and cover with fresh water. Go ahead and fill the bucket all the way, the more water the better. A five gallon bucket is perfect.

If you let the ball dry out it's going to crack and fall to pieces. More details on restoration below.

Please do the same thing with the pieces of your disk but use a separate bucket.

Your cannon ball is, most likely, made of iron. Submerged in soil, or salt water, iron absorbs minerals from the surrounding medium. An iron item will remain intact while it remains in the soil or salt water. If you remove it, and let it dry out, the piece will either crumble or fall to pieces.

Soaking the item in fresh water allows the minerals (salt is what we're dealing with) to be leached out of the item, over time. After soaking for a long period, the item can be removed from the water, allowed to dry (the slower the better) and will remain intact.

The appropriate time for soaking your cannon ball should be a minimum of three months. Six months is better. The water should be changed weekly. Keep the bucket where it's easily accessible so you can stir the water with a stick every couple days. This will break up the halo of minerals which has leached from the iron and circulate the water for better dissipation.

Bigger iron items take much more time.

If you have a creek or river nearby, and you think you could put the cannon ball in it and not have it stolen or washed down stream, that would be even better. Constant water circulation like this is great and you don't have to monitor a bucket. A friend of mine did this with an iron cannon he found. He left it submerged in a creek for about a year and it was nicely stabilized when it dried.

Your metal disk. What shape are the pieces? Are they wedge shaped? If they are you may have found a silver bullion disk. Silver wedges from bullion disks were recovered from the wrecks of the 1715 fleet off of Florida. It's possible you found one and the wedges became cemented together by mineralization after being submerged for hundreds of years.

You may have disturbed the very weak corrosion bonding when you handled it which caused it to fall apart.

If that's the case, you haven't done any harm. But soaking the pieces in fresh water will soften up encrustation or other gunk on them and help stabilize the surface of the silver.

Please post pics of the pieces of your disk if they are even remotely uniform looking. I'm really hoping you found a Spanish silver disk.

For future finds, when you're unsure about what they are or what they're made of, try not to be impatient about cleaning them. The best thing you can do is play it save and, as soon as possible, submerge an item in clean, fresh water to stabilize it.......take a couple pics first though so you can post them.

If you have questions or want more info please ask. I'll look up some sites for artifact restoration and post links.

I've included a picture of a silver bullion wedge from the 1715 fleet.
 
Or you could try placing the relics in a container of part molasses and part water for a couple of weeks. This method works really well for rusty relics too.
 
I'm very grateful for the advice given. I will try to stabilize the object (we are assuming it is a cannon ball and it very well may be).
Will get better pics and post them tonight.

Cheers,

BDA
 
Hi Angela,

I haven't heard of the molases thing before.

What does that do? I'm wondering does the sugar and/or high iron content of the molases have some beneficial effect.

Have you had good luck with the water molases mix? Better than just straight water?

What materials do you treat with the solution?

Interesting.....
 
:clapping::clapping: I went to chip some mud off the bottom of the encrustation and a big piece chipped off revealing- - - - You guessed it right on the money- - - - A CANNON BALL!! In very solid shape, so I chipped off the rest of the crud and le voila there she was, a beautiful cannon ball. I am assuming that the vinegar solution I soaked it in for the last 24 hrs. broke down the calcium in the coral encrustation that surrounded the ball. I have it soaking in fresh water now just in case. Do you think I should leave it in fresh water to stabilize it? It's been in salt water for a while I would think.
Thanks for the great advice Steve and Angela. I will post a pic as soon as I can.

BDA

PS FYI do not, repeat, do not wipe the oxidization off of an old cannon ball with your bare hands as it has similar properties to india ink.
 
A cannon ball is a good find.

There were bronze cannon balls too.

Yes. Soak it in fresh water as I described in my first post.

It may have been protected to some degree if it was encased in coral so it may not need to soak as long. I'd give it a soak for a month anyway.

How bout the disk? Any news on that?
 
Hello Steve, it's about one part molasses and 10 parts water. This method is used on old rusted axe head, other similar tools, shoe horns, and other such type relics. If left in for a few weeks, the relics come up like 'new' in that all the rusty coating is dissolved.
It was suggested to me by a farmer a long time ago, who used this method himself.
HH Angela:)
 
Thanks for the advice, she's soaking right now and I will try adding a little molasses for good measure (thanks angie). The disc is probably a brass or silve plate and is totally gone to corrosion. It looks like a piece of graphite not metal anymore. I will chip away at it as I can't do any further damage to it. Sure would have been nice if it was silver wedges though.

Cheers, BDA
 
That's really interesting.

I'll try it on some iron spikes that are all rusty again after I left them out in the weather.
 
The cannon ball is soaking in fresh water and will remain there for a few months. Thanks again for all of the great advice. I have to remember to pick up some molasses on the way home tonight.

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Is it just me or is there a green patina on portions of the cannon ball?

Seriously....if it's iron you won't be seeing any green on it. There were bronze cannon balls, bronze would be green after being submerged in salt water for a long period.

Could be you found a bronze cannon ball which would be nice because they're pretty rare.
 
Steve:

I wondered the same thing myself but I can't tell without cleaning the cannonball further. I didn't want to risk cleaning it until I had stabilized it for a few months. My fingernails are still black under the tips from just rubbing down the oxide with my hands when I first cracked open this find. Do you think it's safe to try cleaning it so soon?
Interesting note, I was having a glass of wine with neighbours last night and it turns out that he used to work the treasure salvage boat for Teddy Tucker a famous treasure diver and Bermuda's version of Mel Fisher. Anyway, he felt that it must be a pretty old cannonball just based on the size (3 1/2" dia.) and the location of the find. I will bring it over for him to have a look at this weekend. Here's a better photo for you.

Eric in Bda
 
What you should do is put on some heavy rubber gloves then use a wire brush to vigorously scrub the cannon ball. Use lots of water while scrubbing it. Then rinse it off with a pressure nozzle.

If it starts looking more green, then you have a bronze object. Iron doesn't turn green.

I'm thinking you may have bronze and not iron.
 
I'm pretty darn happy with it:thumbup: I consider it my best find since getting into the hobby again this year. Just found another gold ring, this time with diamonds but I like the cannonball the best:cool:.
Brass would have been really nice though.
How do you go about determining the age of something like this??:shrug:
BDA
 
Hello Hunter, the cannon ball has clened up nicely so far. I'm inclined to agree with Macaco in that it could be bronze rather than iron. I don't know much about what cannon balls are made of, but the greenish appearance would suggest bronze. There's a fellow hunter here who is finding cannon balls at a beach. He's finding them with an underwater detector,quite some distance off shore, at about 15 inches or more depth, once the sand shifts. The beach is the base of an old fort.
HH Angela:detecting::)
 
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