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Elite rocks
- Thread starter birdman
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The Elite is one of my favorite Sovereigns,even with the volume control in the wrong place,great finds.HH Ron
Critterhunter
New member
Great finds! Civil war buttons by the look of it? Not got a lot of experience with those but don't the "I" on the one stand for infrantry? A friend dug one in the woods a few years ago when I was with him. Washed it off in a puddle and was amazed to see it turn gold. The gilding was completely in tact with not so much of a flake off of it. Until we washed it off it looked just like yours in the pics and we had no idea what it was, since we don't see much in the way of civil war relics where we hunt. I suspect it fell off a civil war jacket a guy must have been wearing to go hunting.
Something magic about how the Iron Mask ON mode of the Sovereign will sniff non-ferrous targets out of iron. Seems to try very hard to sound off to anything it seems in a mixed "as one" two target signal, which is only possible when both targets are at the same depth and very close or against each other, where the detection field can wash over both at once as one at the same time. From what I've read about detection fields, while the field can't tell you there are two targets together in the field, it can indeed tell you the ferrous/non-ferrous aspects of the mixed signal. Minelab has done that obviously, otherwise the ferrous # wouldn't exist on their FBS units. Not sure if any other manufacturer has been able to gleam that ferrous/non-ferrous info from the field too.
Maybe I'm wrong but with how well this GT sniffs coins out of iron I suspect they are using that ferrous/non-ferrous aspect to sound off whenever possible on these BBS units to any non-ferrous aspects of it? Only thing I can figure out as to why the GT seems so good at it even with all the built in iron rejection, which would make sense because why be just about the only machine on the market (Sov/Excalibur) that you can't lower disc to hear iron on? Maybe they felt there wasn't a need to with the Iron Mask On function? Just my stab in the dark at a guess, because this thing continues to amaze me at how it will hound dog non-ferrous stuff in iron.
Once again, great finds there!
Something magic about how the Iron Mask ON mode of the Sovereign will sniff non-ferrous targets out of iron. Seems to try very hard to sound off to anything it seems in a mixed "as one" two target signal, which is only possible when both targets are at the same depth and very close or against each other, where the detection field can wash over both at once as one at the same time. From what I've read about detection fields, while the field can't tell you there are two targets together in the field, it can indeed tell you the ferrous/non-ferrous aspects of the mixed signal. Minelab has done that obviously, otherwise the ferrous # wouldn't exist on their FBS units. Not sure if any other manufacturer has been able to gleam that ferrous/non-ferrous info from the field too.
Maybe I'm wrong but with how well this GT sniffs coins out of iron I suspect they are using that ferrous/non-ferrous aspect to sound off whenever possible on these BBS units to any non-ferrous aspects of it? Only thing I can figure out as to why the GT seems so good at it even with all the built in iron rejection, which would make sense because why be just about the only machine on the market (Sov/Excalibur) that you can't lower disc to hear iron on? Maybe they felt there wasn't a need to with the Iron Mask On function? Just my stab in the dark at a guess, because this thing continues to amaze me at how it will hound dog non-ferrous stuff in iron.
Once again, great finds there!
birdman
Member
Neil I agree 50%. I grid hunted the field before I started in the woods. The elite did pick up stuff that the etrac missed for what ever reason. The first four hour hunt with the elite in the field, I found 6 percussion caps and about 10 bullets and other stuff. Smaller coil and it is better on smaller brass items. I think the smaller coil has a lot to do with it .The 10 inch tornado can get into tighter spots but I know I picked up bullets and what not that I walked over three and four times on my grid search.
The etrac does have better depth over all and is far more versatile.The etrac also has a depth reading great for coin shooting old homes. The two together make a fantastic team.
Both machines rock.
The etrac does have better depth over all and is far more versatile.The etrac also has a depth reading great for coin shooting old homes. The two together make a fantastic team.
Both machines rock.
Critterhunter
New member
All in the coil IMO. Etrac or SE Pro has a 11" coil on it. I can say my GT with the stock 10" coil is deeper in my ground than my prior 3 Explorers using 10" coils were, but those coils I hated on my FBS units. The 10" Tornado IMO is a much better coil with a more "tight" field. The 10" FBS coil's field seemed rather "fuzzy" and I think just sucked up too much ground stew in *my soils/sands* minerals I suspect, costing me depth or stability issues. When I pick up a SE Pro here down the road to sit along side my GT I'm throwing a 12x10 on it and getting the 6" Excelerator for my super heavy trash coil.
In head to heads for the past two years before digging targets, a few friend's Etracs have yet to see something any deeper than my GT with the 12x10 on it. Both seem equal in depth thus far in our soil, and besides the casual comparisons before digging, the other reason why that's the way it looks in our soil is a few times I even could hear a super deep whisper and when he came over and checked it he got no response. This is using minimal iron rejection much lower than what the GT has built in and an overall open screen otherwise, and best overall settings most tend to agree on to max out their performance.
The difference? I was running full blast manual sensitivity since the 12x10 often allows that even in my soil. He was running Auto+3 and that setting was very near full sensitivity, so a few times when the above happened I'd say "take it out of Auto +3 and raise it the last few clicks in manual to full blast sensitivity." And then he could hear them too those few times when he couldn't at first, so that tells me both machines are about evenly matched in depth in my soil, and largely depends on coil choice as to depth and such.
Also, all on edge or very badly masked (or combos of both) coins that would null for each of us but only at one very tight angle....Both machines have seen just as well every time we've compared targets one of us or the other found first and then would call the other guy over. Now I'm taking to pulling my headphone plug off just so we can get an even better idea of contrast between them. So far no clear advantage to either, and is one of the reasons why I feel the 12x10 has done wonders to make the GT hold it's own against other flagship machines or that fantastic 11" Pro Coil the Etrac and SE Pro come with. Both that coil and the 10" Tornado are the two best *stock* coils I ever used on a machine over the years.
Tip On Depth Meters- I've owned plenty of machines that had a depth gauge on them, and still found I'd just go by the sound of how deep it was to judge it's depth. More reliable to me that way. For example, I've had tiny little targets on a machine read 7" deep or such, but yet I knew by the audio traits as I swept over it it was something small and shallow.
One perk I did find use for a depth meter for though was on my QXT Pro to fish out coins next to a large piece of junk. If I got a coin hit at the edge of it and wasn't sure by other ways if it was real or not, I'd pin point (get a depth reading) of the large piece of junk, and then I'd pull the coil away from it and over the coin hit. If I could see the depth get deeper as the coil left the junk and then get shallower again as it went over the coin hit, then I was pretty sure it was a second target (coin) next to the junk and not a phantom coin hit. Worked great for checking false iron coin spikes as well where I wasn't sure if it was just a nail giving me the coin hit or if it was a real coin next to it. Mostly though I would use other ways to judge the coin hit, by like sweeping at various angles to see if it was still solid or got iron ghostly on me.
In head to heads for the past two years before digging targets, a few friend's Etracs have yet to see something any deeper than my GT with the 12x10 on it. Both seem equal in depth thus far in our soil, and besides the casual comparisons before digging, the other reason why that's the way it looks in our soil is a few times I even could hear a super deep whisper and when he came over and checked it he got no response. This is using minimal iron rejection much lower than what the GT has built in and an overall open screen otherwise, and best overall settings most tend to agree on to max out their performance.
The difference? I was running full blast manual sensitivity since the 12x10 often allows that even in my soil. He was running Auto+3 and that setting was very near full sensitivity, so a few times when the above happened I'd say "take it out of Auto +3 and raise it the last few clicks in manual to full blast sensitivity." And then he could hear them too those few times when he couldn't at first, so that tells me both machines are about evenly matched in depth in my soil, and largely depends on coil choice as to depth and such.
Also, all on edge or very badly masked (or combos of both) coins that would null for each of us but only at one very tight angle....Both machines have seen just as well every time we've compared targets one of us or the other found first and then would call the other guy over. Now I'm taking to pulling my headphone plug off just so we can get an even better idea of contrast between them. So far no clear advantage to either, and is one of the reasons why I feel the 12x10 has done wonders to make the GT hold it's own against other flagship machines or that fantastic 11" Pro Coil the Etrac and SE Pro come with. Both that coil and the 10" Tornado are the two best *stock* coils I ever used on a machine over the years.
Tip On Depth Meters- I've owned plenty of machines that had a depth gauge on them, and still found I'd just go by the sound of how deep it was to judge it's depth. More reliable to me that way. For example, I've had tiny little targets on a machine read 7" deep or such, but yet I knew by the audio traits as I swept over it it was something small and shallow.
One perk I did find use for a depth meter for though was on my QXT Pro to fish out coins next to a large piece of junk. If I got a coin hit at the edge of it and wasn't sure by other ways if it was real or not, I'd pin point (get a depth reading) of the large piece of junk, and then I'd pull the coil away from it and over the coin hit. If I could see the depth get deeper as the coil left the junk and then get shallower again as it went over the coin hit, then I was pretty sure it was a second target (coin) next to the junk and not a phantom coin hit. Worked great for checking false iron coin spikes as well where I wasn't sure if it was just a nail giving me the coin hit or if it was a real coin next to it. Mostly though I would use other ways to judge the coin hit, by like sweeping at various angles to see if it was still solid or got iron ghostly on me.
Neil
Well-known member
critter I dont know what your smoking there bud, but all the explorer coils/etrac coils Ive ever used give a tighter response than the Sov coils. The Sov is known for its broad band response whereas the explorers/etracs all have a tighter/shorter response.
The Sovs broad band response is part of what gives beginning users fits coming over from single blip machines. You can set up the Explorers to sound like that, a broader response, but minelab made it one of the options rather than the detectors default response.
I really do wish you were right, its only in the coil, how simple that would make it for all of us, but theres a lot more to it.
The Sovs broad band response is part of what gives beginning users fits coming over from single blip machines. You can set up the Explorers to sound like that, a broader response, but minelab made it one of the options rather than the detectors default response.
I really do wish you were right, its only in the coil, how simple that would make it for all of us, but theres a lot more to it.