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Electric hookah vs Gas hookah-which is better??

makahaman

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Hi everyone I was wondering which hookah to get? I wanted to get the electric version but wasn't too sure what your bottom time was? I am leaning towards the electric one due to the noise and fumes that the gas one makes but wasn't sure what the bottom time was on the electric unit. Does anyone on this post own an electric unit? Has it given you any problems as far as maintenance, air output, practicality? If I can't get any good advice I may just stick with my scuba tanks but bottom time isn't as long and back gets a little tired after awhile. Any input would help me out tons!!! Thanks all and I hope to get some good feedback. Aloha :clapping:
 
I once used a Thomas T-80 w 3hp briggs bought from Keene Engineering for diving on my claim.

it worked very well.

You might want to look there.
 
Hello Makahaman, I asked my hubby how to explain the type of hookah we use as he's the one who built it! I merely use it! Here goes:
My name is Garry, and like yourself have been using scuba for over 30 years. I've also used different types of hookahs, gas (petrol) hookahs and now started using an electric hookah. I've always made my own. My first experience with hookah was one that I used to use on my gold dredge with an Eldorado diaphram with a small Honda motor. Because my diving was relatively shallow in rivers it performed perfectly. But I was always aware of the fumes and always had the air intake away from the exhaust. My second hookah was a little more serious, a twin piston Clisby with a Briggs and Stratton motor, but being an oil lubricated compressor, I had to run activated carbon scrubbers. I could run two divers very comfortably at over 60 feet depth. But one year I had broken one of the scrubber filters without being aware of it and we ended up being very sick after a dive of 1.5 hours at 45 feet depth, which in turn made me go back towards oilless compressors. For the next 10 years I stuck to my scuba until 3 years ago I made another hookah with a Thomas diaphram compressor with a Briggs and Stratton motor which provided many hours of enjoyable diving though the fuel tank would only last 1.5 hours. Changing the motor to a small Honda may have got more bottom time because they are a little more economical. The problem with the petrol (gas) is that when you are detecting, you are always in public places because that's where the targets are. So getting on the internet and reading about electric hookahs I thought this would be a practical solution to the noise problem, because I didn't want to draw attention to myself while diving.
I ended up making my own electric hookah, though this one may be a bit of an over design for what we want. I can run 3 divers at over 30 feet, but with two divers, last weekend my wife and I got 3.5 hours diving out of the batteries. The only problem with that is, to charge the batteries up I have to find somewhere to stop where there's power, and they need to charge for over 10 hours. No diving or buy extra batteries which are quite expensive. With a petrol hookah there's none of this problem. But you do need to come up on a regular basis and refill and you do have the noise which can irritate other people in public places.
So which one is best, electric or petrol? It really depends on your application and where you are likely to go detecting. In a public place I love the electric. A flick of the switch and forget about it until there's no more air. The advantage of petrol hookaks is that you don't have to worry about battery charging, just refill whenever you want, but sometimes with salt saturated air, it can cause a petrol one to be hard to start.
Have a look on the net, punch in electric hookahs, and you will get a lot of sites to look at. or punch in Keene Engineering as they make an electric hookah for a reasonable price. Keep in mind, many of the comercial ones may not give you the bottom time because they use either 24 - 35 amp batteries which have a great advantage in being a lot lighter than the unit that I've made, and are easier to carry down to the water on your own.
Hope this was useful to you, regards Garry (via Golden!)
 
Hey Golden what is your bottom time with the electric hookah, what size and make is the battery that you are using? Does it last 1.5 hours, 2 hours or 3 hours?? Would love to hear about the bottom time because that is very important when it comes to looking for rings underwater. Thanks for all of your input about hookah, I really enjoyed using mine in the past but hated the loud noise that it made. If any one else has any ideas or suggestions I would love to hear them or website. Aloha
 
G'day Makahaman,
Here are some photo's and as the old saying goes "A picture says a thousand words", as to your question about bottom time we get 3.5 hours with two divers this system has a pressure switch which allows it to run with two divers 50-50 duty cycle but with one diver I get 30-70 duty cycle ( that is 30% on and 70% off) giving you more bottom time.
In the photo's you will see two 55 amp deep cycle batteries, the problem with this is there weight which is 18.7 kg each add this to the weight of the 263 compressor,
and you start to see that a unit like a Keene Hydro Air Diving System which they claim its net weight @ 29 pounds and a running time from 2 to 4 hours looks more the way to go, but I like to to make things and this was my first electric hookah.
Garry (via Golden)
 
...is that another reserve tank or a capacitor or what?

What size dc motor do you use with your rig???

After seeing your most excellent unit and looking over the net, I've changed my mind on making my own and am going to give it a shot. Your assist would really be appreciated.

Thanks,

aj
 
I just joined and I don't know if I'm doing this right but here goes. I was looking for the answer to the horse power of your electric Hookah. I'm experimenting making a light weight compressor using the T80 from Alaska Mining.

Kind Regards,

Dan
 
This is what I'm using http://www.easydivehawaii.com/recreation.html I use two Odyssey PC 1500 AGM batteries 68 amp hour and have a 40 amp smart charger good for 2.5 hours then swap batteries by the time the second battery is done the first one is charged again. Dan
 
I don't supose it has the specifacation on the side of the motor???? I'm designing this unit around a very efficent brushless motor using a low loss controller and polymer batteries. The goal is the entire unit to be less than 50 pounds (including batteries) so it can check onto the airplane.
 
...I read where the guy that built the double battery system down under, used a 24 volt electric motor off a winch.

I couldn't get specific details I needed to construct the electric and finally just bought a commercial Brownie gasoline system. But I gotta admit, that unit is a killer of a hookah and better than any commercial electric hookahs I researched. I just wish I had had a little bit more knowledge about building a system like that. But, I've been certified since 1982 and learned a long time ago that what one does NOT know can kill you straight out.

Thus...the Brownie.

Best o' luck, but don't gamble on your personal safety. :look:

aj
 
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