Dumb Question....

[61chip]

hope yall don't mind if I ask a few. Just had my T2SE about a month, and only couple hrs swing time on it. Ive read over the manual several times, but still confused on a couple areas. Heres a question: If running all metal mode, does it matter what "tones" you run, ie 2+, 3, etc ?. If im understanding the manual, all metal has its own tone, and you cant change it. But I see people say they are running all metal and bp. Does this change the "all metal" tones? If I understand the manual, bp mode has its own unique tone

My mind wants to look at the machine as having 2 "modes" -- all metal and disc. With the "disc" mode, you can designate the "tones" you want, but only in "disc" mode. Am I looking at this all wrong?

Appreciate any info anyone can share

Chip

 

[dirtscratcher]

I,ve seen videos on youtube that say if you set your t2 up on bp and switch to allmetal it stays in boost but its going to be single tone. I think the video was titled Digging deeper with t2se it was by aquachigger.

 

[Monte]

hope yall don't mind if I ask a few.

Nope, I don't mind.

Just had my T2SE about a month, and only couple hrs swing time on it. Ive read over the manual several times, but still confused on a couple areas. Heres a question: If running all metal mode, does it matter what "tones" you run, ie 2+, 3, etc. ?

Nope, it doesn't matter, if you are searching in the conventional Threshold-based All Metal mode. The 'Tone ID' selection is over in the Discriminate mode adjustment group, so it's obviously just for hunting in the motion Discriminate mode.

If im understanding the manual, all metal has its own tone, and you cant change it.

That is correct. Just a single tone audio in All Metal.

But I see people say they are running all metal and bp.

Either you didn't read all they were trying to say ... OR ... they didn't fully explain which search technique and mode they were using. Often it is the latter.

The Teknetics T2 is the ONLY Teknetics models made today that offers TWO All Metal search options.:

One All Metal search option: The traditional or conventional All Metal mode [size=small](accessed and adjusted on the left-side of your control set)[/size] is this search choice. From when we first got Ground Balance detectors, about forty years ago, the basic set-up is to adjust a Tuner control to hear a slight audible hum which we refer to as a Threshold, and then adjust the Ground Balance control(s) until we have canceled the effects of ground mineralization.

Once the ground is rejected [size=small](canceled, discriminated, balanced, whatever term you want to use)[/size], you can search and hear ALL of the METAL to include ferrous and non-ferrous. There are times I will choose this operating mode over a motion-based Discriminate mode. Today, however, we have seen a lot of progression from the earliest methods for set-up, to include some people who will search in the traditional All Metal mode but reduce the Tuner control until they just lose the Threshold audio hum, resulting in a silent search in that mode. You can do that with your Tekntics T2.

Also, the method of Ground Balance can be different from model-to-model. Some models have a factory preset GB, some have a manual GB, some have an automated GB, and some also combine an automated GB with an auto-tracking circuitry to read-and-adjust the GB as the mineralization changes. Your T2 provides you with both an Automated Ground Balance or you can manually Ground Balance.

Another All Metal search option: As I stated, the T2 is the ONLY Teknetics model offered today that provides this adjustment capability, and that is to adjust to a true Zero Discriminate setting. If there is no rejection [size=small](true Zero Disc.)[/size], then the detector will be in an All Metal accept Discriminate mode. It is still a motion-based Discriminate search mode, but without any ferrous or non-ferrous metal rejection.

Note that not all metal detectors can adjust this low. Some, like a Tesoro Silver

 

[61chip]

Dirtscratcher and Monte, thank you both for your replies. Monte, your response brings another question from me. If I hunt in disc, with 0 disc (now all metal accepted) and set tones to 2+ or 3, will I then get the different sounding tones for iron and non ferrous ? I think I will, if I correctly understood your previous reply.

My other machine, an ATPro, gives a low grunt on iron and higher tones on non ferrous. This is what I'm accustomed too

I will take your advice and try to train my ears to just a single tone and try to be able to differentiate between iron and non ferrous

In my few hrs of hunting with the T2SE so far, I hunted with sens 85, disc 10, and 3 tones. On a few targets, I would get a good tone with no vid and then switched to bp to check. It would sometimes give a vid in bp

 

[tabman]

We should all be so thankful that Monte explains stuff so extremely well.

tabman

 

[Monte]

Monte, your response brings another question from me. If I hunt in disc, with 0 disc (now all metal accepted) and set tones to 2+ or 3, will I then get the different sounding tones for iron and non ferrous? I think I will, if I correctly understood your previous reply.

Yes, you usually will get a closer-to-correct Tone ID. As I frequently state, "there is no such thing as a 'perfect' detector." That means there are times the audio response, Tone ID, will not be in harmony with what you would get in a pure, clean, unmasked environment.

If you lay an Iron nail on the ground and two feet away you lay a 5

 

[61chip]

Monte, thank you very much for answering more questions of mine. As Tabman stated above, you do an excellent job of explaining and sharing your knowledge. I feel I now have a better understanding of the two different all metal settings on my T2SE. Chip

 

[Digger70pa]

In the bp mode there is only two tones.

 

[Monte]

I seldom really find many gross errors in my posts, but '61chip's caught me at a bad time. Two guys and I had been doing the e-mail and phone call routine regarding the merits of Tone ID as it relates to several models, to include the Teknetics Omega and T2. One fellow had used a White's XLT and DFX in the past and got too used to the multi-tone audio Tone ID those models feature [size=small](if you turn it on)[/size].

The other guy and I like to use some Tone ID options at times, but prefer either a good single tone audio [size=small](without VCO incorporated)[/size] or a decent 2-Tone Audio ID. He likes to hear some iron and I like to also accept some amount of iron and the 2-Tone audio is appreciated to help classify some ferrous Vs non-ferrous and alert us to some metal being in an area.

The other fellow was trying to understand how we decipher the single tone an two tone sounds compared wit what he was hearing. He was using the dp Tone ID. Well, I think we finally got him straightened out to realize what the dp Tone ID was doing to confuse him, and I personally can't stand the dp Tone ID.

Well, there had been so much T2 discussion with other models for a few days that when I read the post by 61chip, it somehow just blew right past me when he put bp and my noggin processed that as 'dp'. Even fooled my fingers, but those two key-tappers have been known to mess things up from time-to-time.

So, to 61chip and others, let me apologize. Gee whiz! In this modern era of digital detector design maybe my age is causing my brain to be a MICRO processor! My goof. Sorry. I never put much time in with a T2 with the bp [size=small](boost process)[/size],only the standard T2's I've owned.... and I still just can't come to like the 'dp' Tone ID. Just the 1 tone w/o VCO but mainly the 2+ Tone ID w/VCO audio.

Begging forgiveness ...

Monte