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Dumb people with detectors!

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Some people in this hobby are just dumb.
I drive by a very old graveyard that's on the Historical list.
Today I see a guy with his metal detector and if that's not bad he has a shovel! with him. Before I could turn and and get back he was gone. Now this is city property and I can see the repercussions this would have on the hobby. What the crap is with some people. I hope I never see that again. Makes us all look bad.
Done with my rant.
 
There are idiots everywhere doing just about everything, we have our share in the detecting hobby too. The saddest part is that most idiots don't see themselves as such. Judge Judy has made millions telling the clueless the truth........and they still don't get it.....:rant:
 
Idiots in every hobby. Worse is these idiots with a rifle hunting, In 50 yrs of hunting ;i could tell some hair raising stories.
 
Should take his shovel and dig him a big hole and put him in it. Cover him and his detector... KEN
 
I was once ask by a family to try and find 7 remaining shell casings from a 21 gun salute so they could put them in a frame with the flag, I agreed but felt really awkward as people drove by.
 
Every hobby has idiots, from mding to hiking to photography to gaming. Just gotta weed them out and set them straight. HH
 
It started with an innocent birthday present. Mark Szczur's wife presented him with a metal detector as a gift -- not a high-end machine but a simple one that would find dropped coins or metal items buried just a few inches under the surface.

Szczur, a busy painter, and his stepson immediately got the detecting bug.

Armed with a little garden trowel and their new toy, they puttered around some parks and school grounds, thrilled to turn up a handful of older coins, some little toy cars and a bucket of iron bits and trash.

But on Aug. 19 it all went so wrong.

EXTRA!

Szczur's stepson wasn't feeling well, so Szczur went out alone, sweeping around Central School (where he found what looked like an old hinge), moving to the train station (where he turned up an old iron mirror off a car) and then shifting to Greenwood Cemetery.

"I looked at the sign, because I know one of the rules is that you should never go on private property," says Szczur, "but it said it's a public cemetery and all are welcome."

He says he cruised along the fence line and walkways -- not over graves -- stopping to investigate hits on items just under the soil. With the trowel, he says he carefully turned over sod, lifted the item, then replaced the grass so that it was almost impossible to see any kind of damage.

He found some small change and chatted with some passersby about detecting.

Then the police showed up.

"One of them said 'What are you doing? What are you doing?' and I explained and showed them the dimes and pennies but they couldn't understand why anyone would want that stuff."

Then one of the officers mentioned the phrase "digging up graves" and Szczur says he was shook.

"I said 'Whoa! I'm using a detector that only shows three inches underground. I thought it was public property. I didn't realize it was wrong' and they were going to let me go."

Szczur says he threw the coins he had found to the ground and was in his van, preparing to leave when the officers stopped him again.

They had apparently found a grave marker that someone had dug around (in an edging style, says Szczur) and blamed the damage on Szczur.

He was arrested and the metal detector, a few bits of iron and dirty coins -- 60 to 90 cents in total -- were seized as evidence.

From there, the story spun out of control.

With a news release from the police naming him, media outlets across Ontario picked up on the story.

"Graves Robbed: Brantford man caught," said one Internet site.

Hamilton television station CHCH called the incident "a crime that may even fall below the standards of the most hardened criminals" and said it was believed Szczur was robbing graves. That story also said police arrested him for stealing rings and other jewelry from burial sites.

Internet metal-detecting discussion forums across North America were abuzz with the story.

"I was up all night and freaked when I saw the headlines 'Grave robber arrested'. It's got blown out of freakin' proportion.

"People think I've been digging up graves and stealing rings."

While Szczur has been convicted of some minor thefts, he says they were from another life.

"I'm a born-again Christian. I'm married now and have kids. That stuff is all in the past."

City police Insp. Kent Pottruff makes it clear that police aren't accusing Szczur of digging up coffins. But Pottruff says the items found on Szczur were sentimental metallic things that "someone may have placed at the grave site."

"If someone put something on a plot they purchased, it's theirs and he doesn't have the colour of right to be digging there."

Paul Burbridge, the city's supervisor of cemeteries, was called to look at the damage and says Szczur just had bottle caps and tin bits discarded long ago, along with some coins.

But Burbridge says while Szczur was just scouting for surface items, it was still wrong.

"I don't know what would possess someone to go there with a metal detector and think that would be all right," Burbridge says.

"It's the first time I've ever heard about it anywhere, although maybe people are doing it and don't get caught."

Szczur was charged by police with more than just mischief.

He was also charged with theft under $5,000 and possession of stolen property under $5,000. He appears in court next month.

Szczur says he was mortified by the charges and resulting publicity, as was his family, but that wasn't all.

A few days later, Szczur, his wife and kids and a handful of other relatives headed to the U. S. to catch a plane for a dream vacation that had been in the works for months.

But at Buffalo, the cemetery charges appeared on a border crossing computer and Szczur was stopped, fingerprinted and turned back, with just a moment to say goodbye to his wife and distraught kids.

"You've no idea what this has done. It's been really, really shocking."

Family members, including Szczur's mother, have fielded calls and insults.

"He wasn't digging up graves," says Szczur's mom.

MISTAKE

"Yes, he made a mistake but I raised my kids to respect cemeteries and if he were really desecrating graves there'd be no worse judge for him to face than his family."

Even within the Internet metal-detecting community there is controversy when it comes to the topic of searching cemeteries.

One metal-detecting forum has gone so far as to ban the topic from discussion because comments get so heated.

Some say the practice is OK as long as the searcher has cleared it with a cemetery official, tidies up after himself and keeps to the lanes and walkways. Others say that searching in any burial area lowers the reputation of all metal detectors and is just plain "tacky."

Almost everyone agrees that metal detectors should never be used over graves and searchers shouldn't carry shovels into cemeteries unless they want to spend the rest of their day with the police.

The avid detectors jealously guard the hobby's reputation.

They try to educate the public, highlighting the assistance detectors have given to hundreds of people who have lost items and the high code of ethics they try to follow.

Local detector Warren Shaver has been selling metal detectors to the community for 18 years from his store on Henry Street, Grand River Treasure Detectors.

Shaver has his own handout that he gives anyone who questions what he's doing. The sheet contains his own code of ethics and his business card.

It also offers property owners assurance that, if they allow Shaver to detect on their land, he will turn over any items of a personal nature and split 50/50 anything of value.

"We have to make sure nobody ruins the hobby for us," Shaver says.

For instance, Shaver would dearly love to do a full scan on downtown's Victoria Park with a machine he has that can "see" everything several feet underground, but he knows that area is a "no-go zone" for detectors.

Shaver has found plenty of other places to work and has recovered a long list of coins and rings. His favourite find, he says, is a gold ring with a diamond in it.

"You do your research, you ask for permission, you can't leave trash and if you find anything with a person's name on it you try to track down the person."

Desperate people often call on experienced metal detectors to find lost items.

"Especially folks who have a spat and fire their wedding ring out the window or lose a ring on the golf course," says Shaver.

While he wouldn't go detecting in a cemetery and would give someone "the worst look" for suggesting it, Shaver admits going along the outer borders or walkways of a cemetery wouldn't be a bad thing if you had permission.

"But if I saw anybody with a trowel where my mother was buried, he better be working for the cemetery."

For Szczur, the nightmare continues with him having to hire a lawyer and go to court next month.

And worse, he fears for the damage to his born-again reputation and that of his family.

"I just didn't realize it was wrong."

TREASURE HUNTER'S CODE OF ETHICS

(From a card handed out to clients of Grand River Treasure Detectors)

I will respect private property and do no treasure hunting without the owner's permission

I will fill all excavations

I will appreciate and protect our heritage of natural resources, wildlife, and private property

I will use thoughtfulness, consideration and courtesy at all times.

I will build fires in designated or safe places only

I will leave gates as found

I will remove and properly dispose of any trash that I find

I will not litter

I will not destroy property, buildings, or what is left of ghost towns and deserted structures

I will not tamper with signs, structural facilities or equipment
 
Very good post John... The I didn't know can be very hard on one. Your right, he may not even think about how it looks. If I see him anymore I will point this out.
 
Just remember he just may have seen those IDIOTS on Television and not known any better.
 
I guess I will not ever go to the oldest cemetery in town! Let the dead have their old coins and jewelry on top of the graves! Although I hear some of the dead have tried to take it with them!
 
John, you're a good guy and there are a lot of good things I can say about your specific company.

But those two morons your company sponsors, King Dufus and the Dorkmaster, are doing the hobby a major disservice with their stupid antics. A lot of reality show watching newbies being brought in with treasure in their eyes and clueless when it comes to doing it the right way.

Short term profits for your company in exchange for irreparable long term damage to our hobby.
 
John's company? :confused: ........... Yea John, it's all your fault :laugh:
 
That was my thought too when I read that :shrug::confused:

Larry (IL) said:
John's company? :confused::

My thought on the subject of "dumb people": people need to engage the grey matter and use common sense. The results of, " I didn't think of that" or "I really should of thought that through" or "I didn't realize others would think I was....." would be prevented.
 
Point well taken, Larry. I should have worded that better.

John has been a Garrett guru for so long that I sometimes think of him as "Mr. Garrett"...although the only uncompensated Mr. Garrett for sure. :laugh:

John has contributed a lot of knowledge through his many posts and does yeoman work as moderator on multiple Garrett forums.

Like the other moderators here he is unpaid and does what he does out of dedication and love for the hobby.

So a big thank you for all you do, John Bortscher!:cheers:
 
I knew what you meant marcomo..... I just had to poke some fun...... I agree that John has done a great job moderating the Garrett forums and sharing his vast knowledge of the entire Garrett line, a natural to take the reigns of the Finds Garrett forums after the passing of the late great Bill Revis.

This post is 180 degrees out of phase with the title of the the thread but our moderators seldom get the pat on the back they deserve. A well done, John. :clapping:
 
I have been invited to do a lot of work in cemeteries finding survey stakes, water lines,veteran flag holders,and yes have hunted them with permission.Before you condemn the person you saw today as being stupid you better make sure he did not have permission to be there.Anyone comes up to me with the attitude Ike see in this post while I doing a good deed for some small town cemetery that wonders where they are coming up for money to get the mowing done I am going to ruin your day trust me.By the way a lot of the old houses that you are hunting in the early 1800's in plowed fields the bodies are still there,the farmer removed the grave stones back in the day and put it in crop.Your defense might be that you did not know that there was a grave at that location because off no marker my answer to you is tell it to the Judge or better yet go talk to some of the relic hunters down south and see what they have been accused of for just being in the woods or plowed field.
 
HMMM ! Dig Fellas Bill Ladd digging at a old cemetery in some backwoods swamp comes to mind.
 
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