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Do they make such an animal?

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markg

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Short story first, I live in the Virginia, the red dirt state. Some areas are so bad with mineralization true, motion all metal is the only option to use with any machine. I have actually used these machines at some of my sites, Tesoro Tejon and Vaquero, Garrett Ace250 and AT Pro, Whites XLT, DFX and V3i, Minelab Explorer SE, Etrac and CTX 3030, Teknetics Eurotek Pro, Fisher Gold Bug Pro, F5, F75 and F75 LTD.
Add to that, the old schools, even the ones long gone, where I'm sure there is plenty of silver, the ground is even worse. Over the decades they burn coal to heat the buildings and dumped the waste all over the school yard. This material will attract to a magnet too. Now for more information. Years ago I sent Dave J. a box of this material to analyze, in hopes of discovering either a machine or option to use in attempts of overcoming this ground. He advised using the motion all metal mode on my F75. His advice has proved correct in every aspect of my hunting problems. I fell in love with that machine (F75) all over and it has found many good targets since then.
I have been using the motion all metal mode for a long time on my F75 LTD and truly love it but.
I desire to have a detector that has the true motion all metal mode, but one that has tone ID attached to the motion all metal mode. Some might say, what about running with discrimination at zero on the machines mentioned about, but unless you are actually in a true motion all metal mode it's not the same.
Do they make such a machine "animal"?
 
When you used the V3i, what was wrong with All Metal mode W/SAT (motion) and Tone ID on? All 191 VDI's are assignable tones.
 
I have posted videos on the AKA Sorex and SIGNUM. Both run mixed mode with true motion all metal and also a motion disc tone ID. Seperate settings for the sensitvity for the motion all metal and Tone ID channels etc.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJbAl1IyZw[/video],

Now I am not sure if you refer to having two seperate audio channels one for all metal and one for tone iD...or if you refer to a True tone ID motion all metal and for that...both detectors have a mode called RTM which is a tone ID motion all metal mode...single audio channel only. Here is a video of that

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Here is the video of the RTM single audio channel all metal tone ID mode compared to the normal dual channel audio modes.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddaHSEe9Yk[/video]
 
Felt like it had limited depth in the worse ground conditions. But I REALLY like it, but I thought even in that mode it was using filters, that is why I want a true motion all metal mode. Does the V3i have that?
 
I can't say for sure but I thought All Metal is before filtering. :shrug:
 
Any machines that have over-lap modes like that (disc. tones while at the same time all metal mode in the back-ground or whatever), you have to remember something:

Premise A) All metal goes deeper than disc.
Premise B) There is detectors which offer the two modes mixed together
Conclusion C) Therefore you can acheive deeper all-metal depths WHILE discriminating, ALL AT THE SAME TIME! :)

This is not the case though, as logical as the above sequence of points seems. Here's why: the depth you acheive in disc, is not magically "deeper" once you've gone into those mixed-type modes. So for example, if you got 9" on a dime (as the max depth) while in disc. mode (where you had all the iron and/or other elected items silenced out from sounding off), then your depth in the mixed mode, on that same dime .... is STILL 9".

And if your depth on that dime was 10" in all-metal mode, then that difference of the 1" (between the 9 and the 10" mark), will have a signal that does not register enough to give you an ID. Ie.: it will come in as a beep, yes, but beyond the range of ability to discern high vs low, or iron vs non-iron, etc....

The reason a lot of us THINK we are going deeper in mixed mode, and acheiving disc. at those deeper depths, is because the psychology of this: That when you're going around and here those fringe beeps (that didn't have enough strength to register onto whatever disc. level they are), that you subconsciously tend to sweep and resweep (ie.: "center" and try to "bring in") those fringe targets. Thus you are more likely to hear them (as whatever benchmark criteria your disc. wants were).

But the disc. itself goes no deeper. Just that last little "umph" of all-metal mode sound, causing you to check and double check signals, that if you'd been in strict disc, would have simply been silence (or a null, or whatever).
 
I must confess, the reason I use the motion all metal mode so much is because it handles EMI so much better.
Or at least on my F75.
 
markg said:
I must confess, the reason I use the motion all metal mode so much is because it handles EMI so much better.
Or at least on my F75.
Click to expand...

I thought that was the best way to hunt the F75, in the all metal motion mode:thumbup:
Super deep and stable as well
 
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