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Dilek I Have a Question
- Thread starter Cliff KS
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Nokta Detectors
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Cliff KS said:
Well, to be honest with you, no... a very few people prefer that design and analog devices.
Cliff, if you have worked the FORS CoRe and found a need or desire for a belt-mount option, then I'd say you need to shorted the rod or opt for a different physical design such as the soon-to-be-released Makro Racer. I have a terrible bad back, from head-to-tail, and am on the wait list for surgery. I've been getting around with a cane since '93, and I have to be careful in my detector/coil selection so as not to pick one that is heavy and/or awkward. The FORS CoRe isn't. Instead, I have been enjoying the balance and 'feel' of the unit, mainly with the stock 7X11.2 and smaller coils.
Regardless of the make or model detector out there, quite often I see people working them with the rods well extended, actually to the point that it promotes ineffective site coverage and causes the operator to move along and advance too quickly. If anything, one of the first things I noted about this Nokta model is the lower rod might actually be too long. I have mine at the next-to-the-shortest positioning holes and it is just nice and comfortable for me, and I stand about 6' on a good day. A shorter person would have a little difficulty, unless they had a shorter length lower rod to provide ample rod-length adjustment.
Outwardly, the appearance looks like it might be heavier and awkward to handle, but I find it comfortable.
Now, when it comes to search coils, most folks who have followed me and my forum posts for many years know that -- as a rule -- I tend to prefer a good Concentric search coil rather than a Double-D coil design. This is for a few reasons, such as: (a).. for fifty years of very avid metal detecting, and the types of sites I prefer to seek out, Concentric search coils tend to provide better all-around performance than comparable Double-D coils. (b).. Concentric coils usually provide a tighter Target ID/VDI read-out and are less 'jumpy' than a comparable size DD coil. (c).. Concentric coils are usually easier and quicker to pinpoint with.
Now, let me add that one important reason for my success afield, is that the particular detector unit(s) I like to use seem to work much better with a good Concentric coil than they do with a Double-D. Additionally, the performance 'behavior' of most Double-D coils tends to cause problems with a lot of ferrous-based junk whereas a comparable size Concentric coil often outperforms the DD design.
This is not a quote from a book or a copy of somebody else's post who might not really hunt dense iron trash much. This is the educated opinion of someone who has used an ample array of makes and models of detectors and coils and has concentrated on ghost towns, homesteads, pioneer and military encampments, and many similar iron-plagued sites for over 45 years. Most often, my detector selections are primarily models that can handle nasty nail and iron trash well, and coils that achieve that success.
However, going back to the first releases of Compass T/R's in '71, which were designed using a Double-D search coil, I have owned and used plenty of DD coils in an effort to better learn a detector that was so equipped, as well as learn the strengths and weaknesses of different search coil designs. I sometimes find that I have more detectors around than I need or use, but that's okay because I often pick one or two that are out-of-the-norm to use in a metal detecting seminar. They can be used to demonstrate their strong points .... but also to show their weaknesses as well.
Note the list in my signature below and you'll see that I have a few models that make use of DD coils, to include my two old Compass models, two DD's I like for the Teknetics Omega [size=small](or a G2 group of models)[/size]. I do not care for or use any DD coils with my Tesoro's, and certainly not for my White's models, but I do use the three coils with the Nokta FORS CoRe, which are all DD designs. I will say I like their looks, their build quality, and definitely their in-the-field performance so far ... for DD coils.
That said, I would like to see the Nokta/Makro folks make a Concentric search coil for the FORS CoRe [size=small](or the coming Makro Racer)[/size] that would be about a true 6" to 7" round diameter. Nothing bigger, in my opinion, because I usually use a smaller-than-stock search coil, and I think such a size would be good to for most avid Coin Hunters and also complement some work done by avid Relic Hunters. Plus, with the way the FORS CoRe is designed and works, it is probably not going to do all that well with a larger-size Concentric coil.
Just my thoughts, if you don't mind.
Monte
Regardless of the make or model detector out there, quite often I see people working them with the rods well extended, actually to the point that it promotes ineffective site coverage and causes the operator to move along and advance too quickly. If anything, one of the first things I noted about this Nokta model is the lower rod might actually be too long. I have mine at the next-to-the-shortest positioning holes and it is just nice and comfortable for me, and I stand about 6' on a good day. A shorter person would have a little difficulty, unless they had a shorter length lower rod to provide ample rod-length adjustment.
Outwardly, the appearance looks like it might be heavier and awkward to handle, but I find it comfortable.
Now, when it comes to search coils, most folks who have followed me and my forum posts for many years know that -- as a rule -- I tend to prefer a good Concentric search coil rather than a Double-D coil design. This is for a few reasons, such as: (a).. for fifty years of very avid metal detecting, and the types of sites I prefer to seek out, Concentric search coils tend to provide better all-around performance than comparable Double-D coils. (b).. Concentric coils usually provide a tighter Target ID/VDI read-out and are less 'jumpy' than a comparable size DD coil. (c).. Concentric coils are usually easier and quicker to pinpoint with.
Now, let me add that one important reason for my success afield, is that the particular detector unit(s) I like to use seem to work much better with a good Concentric coil than they do with a Double-D. Additionally, the performance 'behavior' of most Double-D coils tends to cause problems with a lot of ferrous-based junk whereas a comparable size Concentric coil often outperforms the DD design.
This is not a quote from a book or a copy of somebody else's post who might not really hunt dense iron trash much. This is the educated opinion of someone who has used an ample array of makes and models of detectors and coils and has concentrated on ghost towns, homesteads, pioneer and military encampments, and many similar iron-plagued sites for over 45 years. Most often, my detector selections are primarily models that can handle nasty nail and iron trash well, and coils that achieve that success.
However, going back to the first releases of Compass T/R's in '71, which were designed using a Double-D search coil, I have owned and used plenty of DD coils in an effort to better learn a detector that was so equipped, as well as learn the strengths and weaknesses of different search coil designs. I sometimes find that I have more detectors around than I need or use, but that's okay because I often pick one or two that are out-of-the-norm to use in a metal detecting seminar. They can be used to demonstrate their strong points .... but also to show their weaknesses as well.
Note the list in my signature below and you'll see that I have a few models that make use of DD coils, to include my two old Compass models, two DD's I like for the Teknetics Omega [size=small](or a G2 group of models)[/size]. I do not care for or use any DD coils with my Tesoro's, and certainly not for my White's models, but I do use the three coils with the Nokta FORS CoRe, which are all DD designs. I will say I like their looks, their build quality, and definitely their in-the-field performance so far ... for DD coils.
That said, I would like to see the Nokta/Makro folks make a Concentric search coil for the FORS CoRe [size=small](or the coming Makro Racer)[/size] that would be about a true 6" to 7" round diameter. Nothing bigger, in my opinion, because I usually use a smaller-than-stock search coil, and I think such a size would be good to for most avid Coin Hunters and also complement some work done by avid Relic Hunters. Plus, with the way the FORS CoRe is designed and works, it is probably not going to do all that well with a larger-size Concentric coil.
Just my thoughts, if you don't mind.
Monte
Nokta Detectors
Active member
Monte said:Cliff, if you have worked the FORS CoRe and found a need or desire for a belt-mount option, then I'd say you need to shorted the rod or opt for a different physical design such as the soon-to-be-released Makro Racer. I have a terrible bad back, from head-to-tail, and am on the wait list for surgery. I've been getting around with a cane since '93, and I have to be careful in my detector/coil selection so as not to pick one that is heavy and/or awkward. The FORS CoRe isn't. Instead, I have been enjoying the balance and 'feel' of the unit, mainly with the stock 7X11.2 and smaller coils.
Regardless of the make or model detector out there, quite often I see people working them with the rods well extended, actually to the point that it promotes ineffective site coverage and causes the operator to move along and advance too quickly. If anything, one of the first things I noted about this Nokta model is the lower rod might actually be too long. I have mine at the next-to-the-shortest positioning holes and it is just nice and comfortable for me, and I stand about 6' on a good day. A shorter person would have a little difficulty, unless they had a shorter length lower rod to provide ample rod-length adjustment.
Outwardly, the appearance looks like it might be heavier and awkward to handle, but I find it comfortable.
Now, when it comes to search coils, most folks who have followed me and my forum posts for many years know that -- as a rule -- I tend to prefer a good Concentric search coil rather than a Double-D coil design. This is for a few reasons, such as: (a).. for fifty years of very avid metal detecting, and the types of sites I prefer to seek out, Concentric search coils tend to provide better all-around performance than comparable Double-D coils. (b).. Concentric coils usually provide a tighter Target ID/VDI read-out and are less 'jumpy' than a comparable size DD coil. (c).. Concentric coils are usually easier and quicker to pinpoint with.
Now, let me add that one important reason for my success afield, is that the particular detector unit(s) I like to use seem to work much better with a good Concentric coil than they do with a Double-D. Additionally, the performance 'behavior' of most Double-D coils tends to cause problems with a lot of ferrous-based junk whereas a comparable size Concentric coil often outperforms the DD design.
This is not a quote from a book or a copy of somebody else's post who might not really hunt dense iron trash much. This is the educated opinion of someone who has used an ample array of makes and models of detectors and coils and has concentrated on ghost towns, homesteads, pioneer and military encampments, and many similar iron-plagued sites for over 45 years. Most often, my detector selections are primarily models that can handle nasty nail and iron trash well, and coils that achieve that success.
However, going back to the first releases of Compass T/R's in '71, which were designed using a Double-D search coil, I have owned and used plenty of DD coils in an effort to better learn a detector that was so equipped, as well as learn the strengths and weaknesses of different search coil designs. I sometimes find that I have more detectors around than I need or use, but that's okay because I often pick one or two that are out-of-the-norm to use in a metal detecting seminar. They can be used to demonstrate their strong points .... but also to show their weaknesses as well.
Note the list in my signature below and you'll see that I have a few models that make use of DD coils, to include my two old Compass models, two DD's I like for the Teknetics Omega [size=small](or a G2 group of models)[/size]. I do not care for or use any DD coils with my Tesoro's, and certainly not for my White's models, but I do use the three coils with the Nokta FORS CoRe, which are all DD designs. I will say I like their looks, their build quality, and definitely their in-the-field performance so far ... for DD coils.
That said, I would like to see the Nokta/Makro folks make a Concentric search coil for the FORS CoRe [size=small](or the coming Makro Racer)[/size] that would be about a true 6" to 7" round diameter. Nothing bigger, in my opinion, because I usually use a smaller-than-stock search coil, and I think such a size would be good to for most avid Coin Hunters and also complement some work done by avid Relic Hunters. Plus, with the way the FORS CoRe is designed and works, it is probably not going to do all that well with a larger-size Concentric coil.
Just my thoughts, if you don't mind.
Monte
Hello Monte, İt is Dilek ! Very well explained... I am currently in the USA and upon my return, I will be discussing it with my team and let you know what the outcome is. Thanks for all the feedback!
I appreciate your input Monte. No, I haven't had my hands on a ForsCore, but have been considering getting one. I have several detectors and use both concentric and DD coils. I have some issues with tendonitis in my elbow and I really enjoy having a CZ-70 with the control unit mounted on my waist to reduce the weight on my arm. There are no DD coils for the CZ's, so I would like to get something new that uses DD coils that lets the control box be mounted on my belt.
Looks can be deceiving at times. I was never a fast dancer, preferring to have my hands on my partner even though I never considered myself to have talented footwork. When I first saw photos of the FORS CoRe it looked clean, organized and interesting, but didn't strike me as slim, sleek and sexy.Cliff KS said:
Kind of like being at a high school dance, when I weighed less and was kind of fit, and spotted a gal who was being walked past and ignored. I knew her to be kind and interesting to talk with, but her outward appearance was a bit on the 'plumpish' side and it gave me a feeling like she could never be a light-on-her-feet dancer. I have a kind heart so at least one dance wouldn't kill me. Boy, was I in for a shock! What looked to be a little off-balance and clumsy turned out to be a very comfortable and smooth dancing partner! The way she handled the dance floor made me wonder if I was doing my part well.
Such was the Nokta FORs CoRe once I had it in-hand, adjusted for a proper rod-length and took her out waltzing. Seeing isn't believing and it didn't take long before the CoRe just felt 'comfortable' and I had a new partner. Not only does it handle well on the valley floor of some sites I've worked, but when it comes to 'conversation' the Coin & Relic unit has a very intelligent and easily understandable language about her. You need to give one only a short time to appreciate the nice design package.
I have a flock of detectors, and most folks know I use, and generally prefer, a good Concentric search coil, but I do have and occasionally use a Double-D coil. I won't have an opportunity to give the larger coil any field time until later next week, but the stock DD coil with the Fors CoRe performance is 'pleasant' to use, and the smaller 4.7X5.2 DD is flat-out a 'pleasure' to use. I spend a lot of time in brushier and trashier environments where it will see a bulk of the use.Cliff KS said:
Had a 70a, but I find belt-mounting to be a bit annoying due to the dense brush I usually hunt in snagging on a dangling cable. Instead, I simply use detectors that already come ready-to-go that are light enough or balance well enough to provide the comfort for my aching back, neck, shoulder and elbow. There have been a few that caused me a little wrist pain, but I find the grip angle of the CoRe to be almost a relaxed-fit with the balance it provides. Of course that's when on a flatter hunt site and not working up or down or sideways on a steep hillside.Cliff KS said:
Here, I am sure, is where we might differ, because while I don't mind using a detector and a good working Double-D search coil if it comes with the detector, I don't go out-of-my-way to try and find a DD when a decent-sized Concentric can be used that works just fine.Cliff KS said:
I will, however, make an effort to find a nice Concentric coil for a detector and certain hunting tasks I confront, and that's why I would really be interested in Nokta making a Concentric in a round, or close-to-round 6" to 7" size. It would be a nice complement for what they provide already in Double-D offerings.
Monte
SavingThePast
Member
targets said:
I think they are out there they just havent been given permission to release info....
horikindaguy
New member
SavingThePast said:
and with the their strong interest in the North American market I hope a few of them are being tested in our market area....