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digital CZ users...where do indian cents read on your meter?
- Thread starter Hotcz70
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Anonymous
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Regardless of machine, IH's almost always come in just like a Zinc penny. It has to do with the alloy that was used for them. Really crusty/corroded IH's will come in as square tab, A.K.A. the "relic" icon on the CZ 70 Pro.
You're getting IH's at High Coin? Did you double-check the hole to see if the IH was co-located with a dime or other typical "high coin" target?
HH from Allen in MI
You're getting IH's at High Coin? Did you double-check the hole to see if the IH was co-located with a dime or other typical "high coin" target?
HH from Allen in MI
Hi Allen.
I found two yesterday...both 1909 and they look new. They both came in high coins but then would give an occasional bounce to the zinc icon. So from what you are saying it is normal for them to come in under zinc icon? That's what I thought. I have only had the 70pro for a couple of weeks although I have hunted with a cz for over 10 years now. I wanted to make sure indians would hit as expected from experience from the other cz'z. I would imagine there was a rusty nail farther down in the hole or off to the side somewhere. I checked and rechecked until I was over 12" to make sure I didn't miss another coin in the hole. I can't tell you how many silver coins or indians I have dug WITH a nail in the same hole...which still amazes me. This brings me to another important question. Why do I read so many posts where hunters are notching out the zinc icon? ...especially when most indians hit there.
thanks for the response
I found two yesterday...both 1909 and they look new. They both came in high coins but then would give an occasional bounce to the zinc icon. So from what you are saying it is normal for them to come in under zinc icon? That's what I thought. I have only had the 70pro for a couple of weeks although I have hunted with a cz for over 10 years now. I wanted to make sure indians would hit as expected from experience from the other cz'z. I would imagine there was a rusty nail farther down in the hole or off to the side somewhere. I checked and rechecked until I was over 12" to make sure I didn't miss another coin in the hole. I can't tell you how many silver coins or indians I have dug WITH a nail in the same hole...which still amazes me. This brings me to another important question. Why do I read so many posts where hunters are notching out the zinc icon? ...especially when most indians hit there.
thanks for the response
Indian head pennies usually read in Zinc, however the real old ones come in square tab as early versions had a different mettalic makeup, this would be relic in you CZ70...All the years I have hunted never had one come in coins all..Do remember one really corroded, near junk etc. may come in at a oddball position on the meter..
Many including myself when silver coin hunting just accept coins all and therefore would miss the indian head pennies...
Many including myself when silver coin hunting just accept coins all and therefore would miss the indian head pennies...
Hi Dan...or others if you are reading.
So if I notch in high coins, zinc, relic icon...I'm going to hit most all coins including older indian cents? 99% of the time I strictly coinshoot for old silver...but I don't want to walk over an indian cent either. Just wanted to touch on the subject of sensivity too. I know almost everyone has to hunt with the sens at 4 with the cz70. When I found the 8" Barber the other day I was at 4 as well but the signal wasn't 100% solid. I upped the sens to 6 and checked the signal again and it was definately solid and repeatable to where there was no doubt about digging it. I probably would have dug it with the signal sound at sens 4...but it was definately much more sold and clear when I hit the same signal at 6. That kind of "did it" for me. If I can I am going to get the sens to 6 if the soil allows me. I did notice a difference in where it ground balanced at though. At sens 4 it usually grounds around the red 5...but with the sens at 6 it would usually ground around 3 on the knob. Does that lower number where it ground balances at affect anything?
So if I notch in high coins, zinc, relic icon...I'm going to hit most all coins including older indian cents? 99% of the time I strictly coinshoot for old silver...but I don't want to walk over an indian cent either. Just wanted to touch on the subject of sensivity too. I know almost everyone has to hunt with the sens at 4 with the cz70. When I found the 8" Barber the other day I was at 4 as well but the signal wasn't 100% solid. I upped the sens to 6 and checked the signal again and it was definately solid and repeatable to where there was no doubt about digging it. I probably would have dug it with the signal sound at sens 4...but it was definately much more sold and clear when I hit the same signal at 6. That kind of "did it" for me. If I can I am going to get the sens to 6 if the soil allows me. I did notice a difference in where it ground balanced at though. At sens 4 it usually grounds around the red 5...but with the sens at 6 it would usually ground around 3 on the knob. Does that lower number where it ground balances at affect anything?
christopher-ohio
Active member
Hotcz70,
I agree, Indian cents usually come in at zinc penny, however; I have found quite a number that come in at high coin with no bounce to zinc with many that do bounce between the two icons particularly depending on condition/corrosion and depth. Both CZ-70's I've had read this way with IH's. I found an 1864 in my neighbor's front yard that read square tab in the ground but bounced between zinc penny and square tab/relic out of the ground. My CZ-6A almost always reads zinc for most IH's whereas my CZ-3D reads them as high coin. Coins at an angle or on edge will read various icons as well. I just went into my basement and ran all the IH's pictured across my CZ-70 with the stock 8 inch coil and they read as posted above. In my opinion and experience, I really would not notch anything with the CZ-70 since you really need to hear/learn the bouncers since it may lead to a great find. Deeper or comingled targets produce some interesting responses...that's just part on the real fun of it...just my take...HH
I agree, Indian cents usually come in at zinc penny, however; I have found quite a number that come in at high coin with no bounce to zinc with many that do bounce between the two icons particularly depending on condition/corrosion and depth. Both CZ-70's I've had read this way with IH's. I found an 1864 in my neighbor's front yard that read square tab in the ground but bounced between zinc penny and square tab/relic out of the ground. My CZ-6A almost always reads zinc for most IH's whereas my CZ-3D reads them as high coin. Coins at an angle or on edge will read various icons as well. I just went into my basement and ran all the IH's pictured across my CZ-70 with the stock 8 inch coil and they read as posted above. In my opinion and experience, I really would not notch anything with the CZ-70 since you really need to hear/learn the bouncers since it may lead to a great find. Deeper or comingled targets produce some interesting responses...that's just part on the real fun of it...just my take...HH
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Anonymous
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ALWAYS GB with your Sens. at 10. Once you've GB'ed, then lower the Sens. to where you get a stable detector.
I've only have an IH bounce High Coin / Zinc once, maybe twice, and in both instances, the IH was laying in contact with a Wheat.
HH from Allen in MI
I've only have an IH bounce High Coin / Zinc once, maybe twice, and in both instances, the IH was laying in contact with a Wheat.
HH from Allen in MI
Thanks for all your responses. They all vary to some degree and that's great. I have obtained some good tips and advice from all of you that I will try. The first thing I am going to try and master is the "bobbing" ground balancing method.
christopher-ohio
Active member
Hotcz70,
Dan-PA and AllenMI (among many others) are especially a wealth of knowledge that are willing to share and very experienced detectorists with many machines. I've enjoyed their posts and insights over the years on many topics especially my favorite, CZ detectors. It's interesting that we would see the same high coin reading for IH's with our CZ-70's but I attribute it to the coin's metallic composition of the much later IH's particularly 1906 up to 1909 compared to the earlier dates that I almost always got a zinc penny reading. The last few IH's I have found were these later dates that came in a high coin. It's always amazing to me how shallow many IH's are sometimes an inch but these are often rather chewed up from weathering and fertilizers. Keep us posted about your readings on your future indian finds as will I...HH
Dan-PA and AllenMI (among many others) are especially a wealth of knowledge that are willing to share and very experienced detectorists with many machines. I've enjoyed their posts and insights over the years on many topics especially my favorite, CZ detectors. It's interesting that we would see the same high coin reading for IH's with our CZ-70's but I attribute it to the coin's metallic composition of the much later IH's particularly 1906 up to 1909 compared to the earlier dates that I almost always got a zinc penny reading. The last few IH's I have found were these later dates that came in a high coin. It's always amazing to me how shallow many IH's are sometimes an inch but these are often rather chewed up from weathering and fertilizers. Keep us posted about your readings on your future indian finds as will I...HH
Fat Indians (copper/nickle) 1859 to 1864, Weight 4.67 grams, composition .880 copper, .120 nickle. Have dug them at tinfoil to round tab, corrosion a factor, Indians (Variety 3 Bronze) 1864 to 1909 to 1962, weight 3.11 grams, 950 copper .050 tin and zinc, dug them from sq.tab to high coin (copper penny) corrosion a factor, 1962 to 1982 composition changed to .950 copper, .050 zinc, dug them zinc to high coin, corrosion a factor, 1982 to present, copper plated zinc, core is 99.2% zinc, .8% copper with a plate of copper,weight 2.5 grams dug them tinfoil to zinc penny, corrosion is a factor. So as you can see penny's can read all over the place. Just depends. If I get sq. tab/zinc bounce if deep I dig, if deep zinc I dig, tinfoil/round tab if deep I dig. 
: See how 
penny's make you . Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.
: See how penny's make you . Later Jerry aka Tinfoil.Most of my indian head pennies are from the 1800's and imagine the newer ones in 1900's make have a different mettalic makeup causing them to bounce or even come in coins all..I also feel your ground and the effect it has on copper coins comes into play.I think we all become meter dependent and if in a real old place it pays to investigate..Some real nice oddball coins(including gold ones)tokens and the like are gotten by those that dig all repeatable signals expecially if you in a abandoned area or one far off the beaten path where digging too many holes is not a problem..Of course on those manicured lawns and nice parks areas the less digging the better///