Digging two way signals

[daddyflea]

How many of you will dig a two way signal, when that signal won't hit at 90 degrees. From looking at a lot of tests a Nail on top of a quarter will hit as long as the nail is cross ways. Laying long ways it nulls out. Usually when i dig these signals all I find is a Rusty nail.

 

[IDXMonster]

MY definition of a "2 way" signal is...you sweep right,it beeps,you swing left back over it,it beeps. THEN...you turn 90 degrees and do the same. If you get 4 beeps total,dig a hole,provided it's something you like. "Two ways" is from two different angles. That's MY definition of it. There's some confusion about this going/gone around. The big thing FOR ME (disclaimer) seems to be determining if it's a SINGLE target . I'll sweep around to see what's there,that's what I love about an open screen,it's all there(FOR ME). Smaller coils in trashier areas will help with this,sometimes dramatically. Hence the suggestion way back that you might want to think about one. When hunting areas that you think have been hunted before,the easy ones are probably gone. If you hear anything good about the signal you may have to just see what it is. IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH TWO DIFFERENT MACHINES.....right-left good/good,turn 90 degrees right-left null/null=exactly one nail. A lot depends on the site as to how far you can take this. Now if we could get Charles,Chris,Mike Moutray,Bryce,Mike O. together for a huge group hunt then we'd be on to something! There are so many guys out there that I didn't mention that could teach everyone else so much its just dumb. Oh well,we all learn sooner or later,hopefully. I learned the IDX by myself with some forum help of course. If I got a quarter as good with the Explorer as I am with the IDX I'd be in business!

Next!

 

[daddyflea]

right-left good/good,turn 90 degrees right-left null/null=exactly one nail. A lot depends on the site as to how far you can take this.

Thanks that was what I was looking for. My Experiences exactly. I was just wondering if anyone has had better luck. I watched a Video where a guy found a bunch of targets with a CTX then tried to ID each target. He wrote down his prediction then tried the V3i. I used the V3i enough that I got them all correct just watching the Video. I have not learned the Etrac that well yet.

I am having pretty good luck with my Etrac but I have not found much Silver. I know the reason for this is all the other Folks hitting the same spots before me.

I actually just ordered a NEL Tornado which is a larger coil. My purpose is to cover more ground and get deeper.

Two times yesterday I dug Zinc Penny readings to find Can Slaw. When I rechecked the hole I got deep Wheat Penny signals. Both turned out to be Wheats. One time it was a deep silver reading which turned out to be some kind of large Cosmetic container.

If the NEL is no deeper but more steady on ID, I will still be happy.

Moving from the V3i getting coins at around 6" to the Etrac getting Coins routinely at 8" is a big step. I know the V3i will get coins much deeper than that but in my ground it required constant tweeking.

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

Yep, those videos are right. With a DD coil you will get a good signal when the nail over the coin is parallel to the center web, turn 90, or even 5 degrees, and all you get is a null. It is very difficult to 100% or even 50% tell a intermingled ferrous/non-ferrous from iron falsing. There are several clues that have been discussed millions of times over the years. To dig or not dig often comes down to how bored you are at the time.

I have had signals that sounded good from all angles that turned out to be iron falsing; bent square nail are notorious for that, sometime round ferrous items other than bottle caps can also do this. (I'm not sure how the Minelabs do it, but crown caps are pretty much never an issue, found out that is not at all the case with some other modern detectors.)

But generally speaking if you can get from 0 and 90 it is always worth digging. If it sounds good at one angle that nulls as you circle.... I've dug a lot of great finds that behaved this way, and lots of iron.


Chris

 

[rbholt80]

iv had the ET sinse about 6 months after they came out. i was a fisher guy but refused to buy another after first texas got their hands on the company. well the minelab was so different that one day driving down the road i picked up the etrac from the front seat and almost slammed it out the window, i was soooooooo frustrated after months of trash and strange chirps. but i didnt cause it was to much money. so i got mad and said ill learn this thing if it kills me.
i remembered some old timers from when i was a kid. one was named Van i think. he was really popular in the medal detecting community back in the 80s around houston. my granpa and i hunted with him a few times . but what he said all the time was people dont learn the detectors now day cause the detectors try to think for them. the only way to learn one like the back of your hand is to metal detect like your blind. just use your ears.
well thats what i did, i started hunting at night without headlight or back-lit screen turned on. few months later i could tell you what i had even on oneway sigs about 50%. i got so good i could tell the difference between wheats and memorial pennies just by touch. mercs and rosies. all without lights.i still hunt at night when i can. just a few nights ago i did and got a wheat and 1936 texas drivers tag of some kind and 1940 British penny.
so my best advice on this issue learn the sounds no matter how choppy or directional they are and then think about the location your hunting. if its old and you know things are deep dig dig any tone that even comes close to good in one direction.
learn the minelab wiggle. it works.
there was a pic of a little tin machbox i dug up that was all rusty but had something in it. it kept reading penny at about 9" kinda choppy one way then rusty sounding junk from all others. once i had it and it rattled i hit it on my shovel and broke it open. out popped an old wheat penny. i dont know if the pics are still on this site are not. but they were on here.

 

[surfchunker]

it's a numbers game, if it is trashy area and even if I get a good signal one way I still dig, yes I dig trash but a lot of times I hit the jackpot too, especially if the place is one I hunt a lot ... if there is a good target there I'm going to recover it and if not well that's one piece of tricky trash that won't bother me again

 

[IDXMonster]

"It's a numbers game"....and it absolutely is. Say you have a site that's close,convenient,hunted a lot by you or others....and the "dig me" signals are really sparse...Ill dig the bajeezus out of "hopeful" signals. I've been pounding this park about 15 miles south of me,found out that there are 1800s coins there in close proximity to an old set of railroad tracks. Initially in this park there was just modern stuff,but when the hunting got closer to the tracks,it came alive with 4 of the best coins I've ever dug. There's some really annoying clumps of heavy gauge wire in there too that sound like a large cent,but just one way most of the time,and they break up as you go over them. Needless to say,I've dug ALOT of wire out of there! I've also dug 2 large cents,a 3 cent nickel and an1852 seated half dime. In that particular site,HELL YEAH! I'm digging EVERYTHING above iron. It may not be so in other places,you just have to assess what might be there and how many good signals you really have left....and if you WANT....dig the rest that sound good AT ALL.
I wish I could hunt right now,got the day off and frozen ground....:veryangry:

 

[Dale(Ia)]

"It's a numbers game"....and it absolutely is. Say you have a site that's close,convenient,hunted a lot by you or others....and the "dig me" signals are really sparse...Ill dig the bajeezus out of "hopeful" signals. I've been pounding this park about 15 miles south of me,found out that there are 1800s coins there in close proximity to an old set of railroad tracks. Initially in this park there was just modern stuff,but when the hunting got closer to the tracks,it came alive with 4 of the best coins I've ever dug. There's some really annoying clumps of heavy gauge wire in there too that sound like a large cent,but just one way most of the time,and they break up as you go over them. Needless to say,I've dug ALOT of wire out of there! I've also dug 2 large cents,a 3 cent nickel and an1852 seated half dime. In that particular site,HELL YEAH! I'm digging EVERYTHING above iron. It may not be so in other places,you just have to assess what might be there and how many good signals you really have left....and if you WANT....dig the rest that sound good AT ALL.
I wish I could hunt right now,got the day off and frozen ground....:veryangry:

Hell Ya! That's my strategy, too!

Iowa Dale