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Digging It All Out One 10x10' Area At A Time

Critterhunter

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I think I'm going to change my strategy for now on starting this spring. Sure, it's not something you are going to do everyday or at more productive spots that still contain some easy silver, but I'm talking about a method I plan to use at my old sites that very rarely give up a good coin anymore. You know the sites, the ones where a few years back you could still find the odd coin that was either very deep or mixed partly in trash so long as you worked at it. Even those types became harder to find and less often turned up, and now you just drive right by that favorite old spot of yours. Even the deeper coins have been picked out with bigger coils, and the harder masked coins in trash have also been picked over using a 5" coil. Not much point in hunting there anymore? Think again...

Despite improvements in detectors over the years one can't change the laws of physics in that a coil's detection field can't be made to go around corners, meaning trash. Even using a tiny coil a coin can very easily be masked by trash. If the trash is over the coin, even not exactly over it, or the trash is much shallower and off to the side a good bit, the coil will never see that coin. Think about all the round tabs and other trash that was dropped near a coin. Before the coin was masked in the 60's or 70's those primative metal detectors might not have been able to see it anyway due to ground minerals or depth. Before better machines came along the tab or other trash was dropped over or very near it.

Then there are the coins on end, being partly masked by iron or other junk, not to mention gold coins, rings, tokens, and other odd coins that just don't give a classic coin signal. Or even highly mineralized ground that makes even silver coins read like junk or something else. And how about those coin spills that sound like a large can, or coins mixed together that give you a signal that is averaged between say the silver dimes, pennies, and nickles all laying together? Or how about those silver coins that for some odd reason read like a zinc or copper penny or like some other clad coin? Incidently, I just recently dug a silver half that read like a clad quarter on two machines before we dug it. It was shallow yet had a penny and buffalo nickle with it so nobody ever bothered to dig it thinking it was clad.

What is the solution to all the above problems that virtually any metal detector, cheap or not, can use to overcome them? Mark off an area 10x10' and then grid it, digging every signal above iron. After that grid it from a 90 degree angle because iron might null out a good find from one direction. Use a small coil like a 5" coil to further prevent iron from nulling out stuff. Once the area has been gridded both ways and all targets removed, come back a month or two later when the ground has healed using a larger coil to see if any deeper signals remain. When the ground heals you'll often get better/deeper signals, and all the trash removed no longer masks them.

Pick an old site such as a park where there is high trash content and enough age to hide older coins under years of trash. Ideally a site that goes back into the 1800's so that more valuable older coins, along with those odd ones that read further down the scale like gold coins usually aren't dug as well. Keep a map so as the years go by you can keep track of what areas in the park you have truly cleaned out. Think of not just masked or odd coins you'll find, but also the gold rings and other keepers that nobody digs.

Sure, you won't want to do this everyday or at a site where the pickings are still pretty easy with a little effort, but on those days when you can think of nowhere else to go don't show up for the 100th time and wander aimlessly all day still trying to find that easy silver signal. Start digging it all in small grids. Now thate site is in a way virgin ground again as you remove all the "junk", and just one large old park will take you a life time to "hunt out" for real this time, doing what nobody else will do. That's when even a $200 detector can blow away the big boys who are still trying to find the "easy" silver.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this and your success at digging it all at sites others consider "worked out".
 
I've done this very thing in a very nail invested school site. The school was started in 1914 and burned in about 1965. I first used my Pro Pointer to remove the easy and shallow nails and removed 123 nails of various sizes in a 10 x 10 foot section but there was still a lot of deeper nails still there. While I didn't find a lot of coins I did find a few older coins. Along with the nails I found 3 pieces of aluminum and 8 brass items (buttons, odds and ends). It was a lot of work and to be honest I expected more coins. Coins found was a 1915 and 1916D penny, 1904 Indian penny, 5 cent movie token, 1944 Mercury, 1906 Barber dime and a 1938 Washintgton quarter hiding in all those nails.
 
Those are excellent finds for a small area considering all the coils that have passed over them. It is hard work but is rewarding. I really like small coils in places like you describe. Maybe having a lot of birthdays gives you more patience. HH :minelab:
 
I have a place or three that would benefit from gridding. Sounds like fun actually. It makes sense that you should have to put in some junk-digging time if you really want to find those keepers. I could grid off an area and use my Ace 250 to pull out the trash, and come through with the Explorer to pick out what good finds may be left. Certainly not putting down the Ace, I have found all of my good coins with the 250 up to this point. Explorer is brand new....has'nt even touched grass yet.

Thanks critterhunter..
 
And i apparently stopped this approach some time ago without even realizin it.
Thinkin back now, the targets were many many more than i dig now adays.
Now that you've brot this up ( thank you),i'm gonna git back to it.
I allways searched my grid from 8 directions tho,not 4.
 
More talk in this thread on the same subject...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1420737,1421525#msg-1421525

caused me to write this...

Good point about watching all your digging in a small area like that and maybe getting kicked out. I plan to use my Propointer to pinpoint and remove what I can with a screwdriver first. What you have to dig use a 3 sided plug with a side still attached to act like a hinge and clean it up real nice to hide it when done, otherwise you are asking for trouble.

Even if the old machines back in the day were used to dig everything like said they didn't get good depth and ground minerals could have cost them the target too. Not to mention they had less ability to see coins next to iron and such which may to this day only give a junky response but aty least enough of a response above iron to dig.

I probably wouldn't dig iron unless I was getting some kind of non-iron junky response from it, so that's why using a small coil at first is important to muster at least some kind of response above iron. Then again, if it was a solid null one might want to remove all the iron by probing if it was shallow enough.

Even junky/ghostly/weak signals from small pieces of foil should be removed as if it's shallower than the coin the coil detection field will not go past even a tiny bit of foil and see the coin.
 
Also, those are some nice finds for one grid block of 10x10. I plan to categorize all my trash/ring/coin numbers for each grid. After a while I should be able to come up with some averages for this park as to how many old coins or rings/other good finds come from how many grid blocks and how many trash targets were removed. Down the road I'll write up a report on it.
 
In my case with the nail invested school site, this is private property and has been about a year after the fire in about 1965. The school was brick and had grades 1 through grade 12. I don't think anyone had detected this school as back in those days not that many people metal detected but it certainly could have been. The school sat on higher ground than the rest of the school yard and the owner had his house built right where the school sit, but first he wanted to have the land leveled and hired a Caterpillar Maintainer or I called it a Grader to level out the soil. The rubble was removed and then when the Maintainer removed the higher soil it also moved all the remaining trash and especially nails all over the property to a depth of around 3 to 5" on top of the original soil and is the reason of why it's nail city all over this property. I'm not talking about a nail here and a nail there but more like Monte's Nail Board. The reason I choose this particular 10 x 10 foot section, this was where quite a few coins were found that were not masked and were shallow probably uncovered and moved by the Caterpillar. This is the only place that the owner would allow me to do the test as naturally he doesn't want his yard dug up and I was curious what might still be there. No telling whats still in the Gounod hiding in and under all those nails.
 
I have been thinking about that same technique also. I guess like some addicts think alike. It really is a funny thing how much people are alike, and how much we are different. Good luck!

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