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Did everything right except find something (Nothing to see here...)

Ok, if you clicked on this, you already know you're not going to see any finds. So why did you click? Maybe you're interested in the backstory. Here it is:

When I say "I did everything right," what I mean is, all the preparation for this hunt was done "by the book." This past spring I decided to do some very deep research. In the course of doing that, I found some old newspaper articles from the late 1920's and early 1930's about a picnic area that on certain days attracted hundreds of people. It was on private property then, and is still privately held now. That whole process took a month. I drove out to the place where this resort was, and I found that the property was gated. I didn't want to bother the people who live there, so I took the address and wrote a "cold call " letter. The letter worked; the lady who owns the property called me and we set up a time for a meeting. At the meeting, I took some copies of the old newspaper articles and showed her that her property had a very interesting history. Together we walked the property and she said that I could come detect the next day. However, that very evening, I got a text message from her that there had been a family tragedy and that it might be better to wait a while. After almost a month, I re-established contact with her and was told she was going away for a couple weeks, but definitely after that I would be able to detect. Then we had a heat wave of days near 100 degrees, so I had to wait for that to end. Finally this past Saturday, a process that started in April or May was finally rewarded with access to the old picnic area.

The only problem was, there was nothing to be found, and when I say nothing, I mean nothing of value at all. The area is in three distinct parts. One part is lightly forested, one is now a cut hay field, and one is what I would call "untamed wilderness." In the lightly forested area, I had some good signals, but a lid with a pull tab, on it (modern trash) was typical of what I could find. In the hay field, I switched to a 13 inch coil but got no diggable signals at all. I went back and forth there for six or eight passes before I decided maybe it would be better to go into the wilderness, but there was nothing there either.

My research told me that the resort was closed in 1942 because of flooding, and that there had been other flooding there since the closure. I guess the flooding either scoured the area and took the top few inches of soil, and whatever was in it, away, way back then. Or, perhaps it the floodwaters deposited silt and dirt so deep that anything in there was beyond the range of my detector.

I will probably go back one more time to verify that I'm not going to find anything there, but what a sad result after all the research, salesmanship, and waiting. Oh, well, treasure doesn't always follow the rules.

I hope next time I post on this site, it will be to show you something I found instead of to talk about something that didn't work out.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Got all worked up for wonders and ended up with blunders... you just never know till you hunt it... better luck next time...
 
Doing all the research and getting permission, You did what no one thought of and won. Just need to go back and go a little slower, In a spot like you described you need to take your thinking back 70 yrs as to what it might of looked like, the trees ,where is the shade in the afternoon? I have a place,total 38acres -----25 is a picnic ground that is the same since it closed in 57. Thought this is going to be all cherry picking. big mistake on that thinking,I have pulled a few treasure out,and they are there but I have found to go real slow. Don't give up and good hunting.-------------------------after1-------------
 
Gotta pay your dues and follow them clues as no warranity ever. Sure sounds like the right procedure maybe more time or a different unit. Borrow from someone to see as where one does squat others shine ???John
 
Yes, I plan on going back out there and going even slower than I was before. I'm pretty convinced that everything old is DEEP. I'm using an eTrac and 13 inch Ultimate or the stock coil.

I'd like to think I know what I'm doing, but this is such a great opportunity (at least it should be) that if anyone has developed any ideas or tricks for getting another inch or two out of a setup like mine I would like to hear about it.

Thanks again,

Mike
 
I had a similar experience about a year ago, got permission to hunt around this old church that had a sign on it stating it was established in 1804. The church is still active today so I'm thinking I got a real honey hole here and I'm going to find a bunch of silver, there was 3 of us hunting this area about a 1/2 square block and the only thing we found was a couple of shotgun shells. Totally unexplainable.
 
OregonMike said:
Yes, I plan on going back out there and going even slower than I was before. I'm pretty convinced that everything old is DEEP. I'm using an eTrac and 13 inch Ultimate or the stock coil.

I'd like to think I know what I'm doing, but this is such a great opportunity (at least it should be) that if anyone has developed any ideas or tricks for getting another inch or two out of a setup like mine I would like to hear about it.

Thanks again,

Mike

Mike,
I have to ask... Where, for you, is the Ultimate 13" coil pinpointing?
I just got mine yesterday and had a short hunt with it on the E-Trac, 5 modern coins is all I found, so I haven't had much experience with it yet. I seemed to off the mark a tad on my plugs. I'm much better with the 6 x 8 SEF or even the 12 x 15 SEF. I was especially off, when I dug some suspect targets... rusty nails.
Thanks,
Gerald
 
You said you didn't find anything of value but what about the quantity of signals in that lightly forested area ? Lots of iron/trash, moderate, almost none ? Were you using a small coil ?
 
"Did everything right except find something (Nothing to see here...)" <---- not true !! If you truly found that old site, there is stuff there. I agree that you did almost everything right, except machine and coil selection.
An old site like you are stating is bound to be littered with undesirable targets. When approaching an old site, the last machine to come to mind is a Etrac with a 13" coil, there are far better choices to tackle old sites.
A MXT with 5.3 coil comes to mind or any of the Makro/Nokta machines with a small coil or even the 5.5x10 coil. Etrac can do OK in some situations, but not "old sites" because most often they will contain lots of old iron (nails etc) and the minelabs fail in that environment.

On our last outing that Monte hosts, everyone got a chance to play with the nailboard test. On the test there are 8 possible hits. A machine with proper coil that can get at least 6 of 8 hits is passable. Of all the machines that people had on the outing, the only machine that got 0 of 8 hits was a Minelab CTX 3030 w/6" coil. They have their place, but not in an old iron infested site.

http://www.ahrps.org/_tipsAndTechniques/Nail_Board_Performance_Test.pdf

So just curious what part of the state you in. I'm Oregongregg and I'm in the eastern part somewhat close to the Ontario Oregon area, what part of Oregon you in?
 
cladhopper73 said:
OregonMike said:
Yes, I plan on going back out there and going even slower than I was before. I'm pretty convinced that everything old is DEEP. I'm using an eTrac and 13 inch Ultimate or the stock coil.

I'd like to think I know what I'm doing, but this is such a great opportunity (at least it should be) that if anyone has developed any ideas or tricks for getting another inch or two out of a setup like mine I would like to hear about it.

Thanks again,

Mike

Mike,
I have to ask... Where, for you, is the Ultimate 13" coil pinpointing?
I just got mine yesterday and had a short hunt with it on the E-Trac, 5 modern coins is all I found, so I haven't had much experience with it yet. I seemed to off the mark a tad on my plugs. I'm much better with the 6 x 8 SEF or even the 12 x 15 SEF. I was especially off, when I dug some suspect targets... rusty nails.
Thanks,
Gerald

Seems to be spot on in the middle, although sometimes not(!). One thing I've found with the Ultimate is if you only get a reading one direction, chances are it's not anything desirable. I read in a review of the coil that the guy said if it didn't read positive in 3 out of 4 directions, he didn't dig it, based on his experience, and I think that's pretty accurate.
 
Hi, Gregg,

Thanks for your thoughts.

I'm in Eugene. I switched to a Minelab a couple of years ago because I was constantly getting out-hunted by my Minelab-using friends in very similar circumstances and I have to say I've been happy with the detector. Most likely it's the USER that isn't doing things right! A lot of the problem is, I think, that my friends have either moved away or found other interests, so I'm pretty much alone now and just having to figure it all out for myself. I do a lot of reading and watch You-Tube videos but they don't really help a lot. That's why I posted this, asking for suggestions. One suggestion I cannot handle right now though is to buy a different detector. If I have what I have, what I need to know is how to maximize its potential so that next time I head out to this place, I have a better chance of finding something. I picked the 13 inch coil for the hay field because the field is relatively clean and it's really big, so I get more coverage (and I presume depth) with the larger coil. Are you saying that's wrong?

Thanks again,

Mike
 
I used to be of the same thinking about getting a positive reading in at least 3 directions or I wouldn't dig, found out that most of the deep silver will only only give you two positive signals in one direction and those signals will be faint, that's my experience.
 
Has anyone on this forum ever taken a Compadre, set it to where tiny nails just clip, and worked such a site? I know, I know. It's an entry level detector- but I just want someone to try it and let me know. Then I can get over it!
 
Well I went back today for a couple of hours. Following some of the advice here, went slower. Found some old canning jar rings and some deep copper pipe that I couldn't move, but no coins and nothing else.
I will try again but I'm developing some doubts that this site is going to be very productive.

Mike
 
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