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DFX verse F75
- Thread starter moose57
- Start date
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
No reason to get the DFX not even in the same ball game
I am relic hunting with the F75 and it will flat out find brass and coins deep, but I am having trouble finding deep bullets (LEAD). I have email some other people about this, but got no answers. I have noticed the depth is off on mine. It has never had 1" 2" 3" 4" it is always 5" and is will be from 1 to 5 in. deep. but if it reads over 6" you better be ready to dig, because it is right on on 6" and over on depth. Has anyone ever found a bullet deep with the F75 and if they have how deep was it. Thanks Bear
Dug all signals.used the 6" elliptical coil. Sens at 45 DE mode all else preset..... 12 pull tabs all read in the 40's and 50's Looking for Indian cents.
Two small pieces of rusty metal read 64.... Dug one Mercury Dime at 8" reading on depth gauge. read 77.Not sure if accurate on depth as it dropped back in the hole when digging the signal. Read 77 solid never varied from the Id number... Point is the machine worked great in trash....with 6" coil. Bottle caps everywhere. Raised coil up and rescanned..if signal was present at 8" depth reading it was a bottle cap. If it did not respond more than a couple inches after raising coil it was penny copper variety..Only dug a couple of those readings once I knew it was a bottle cap, or a penny..Was checking for Silver mixed in the trash...Hunted for about 45 minutes only on lunch hour....When the machine hit the Merc it rang louder on signal..You knew just from the sound it was different than what the prior bad targets were.. I tried all preset, sens at 60 but so much junk it was terrible trying to hear all targets.Once the sense turned down machine settled down and worked very well indeed....It's a real pleasure swinging the F75.........Comfortable the entire 45 minutes..No shoulder fatigue at all..I also tried what was suggested in the book..Shoulder to shoulder swings..not short choppy swings...Everything I'd better using this movement...When choppy swinging the numbers id varied on more targets..when shoulder to shoulder the id hit and stayed on the first id number on the second and even third swing.I did not use the target consistency meter....Why? I forgot....Next time.
Two small pieces of rusty metal read 64.... Dug one Mercury Dime at 8" reading on depth gauge. read 77.Not sure if accurate on depth as it dropped back in the hole when digging the signal. Read 77 solid never varied from the Id number... Point is the machine worked great in trash....with 6" coil. Bottle caps everywhere. Raised coil up and rescanned..if signal was present at 8" depth reading it was a bottle cap. If it did not respond more than a couple inches after raising coil it was penny copper variety..Only dug a couple of those readings once I knew it was a bottle cap, or a penny..Was checking for Silver mixed in the trash...Hunted for about 45 minutes only on lunch hour....When the machine hit the Merc it rang louder on signal..You knew just from the sound it was different than what the prior bad targets were.. I tried all preset, sens at 60 but so much junk it was terrible trying to hear all targets.Once the sense turned down machine settled down and worked very well indeed....It's a real pleasure swinging the F75.........Comfortable the entire 45 minutes..No shoulder fatigue at all..I also tried what was suggested in the book..Shoulder to shoulder swings..not short choppy swings...Everything I'd better using this movement...When choppy swinging the numbers id varied on more targets..when shoulder to shoulder the id hit and stayed on the first id number on the second and even third swing.I did not use the target consistency meter....Why? I forgot....Next time.
Tonight I tried my XLT..Hmmmm I missed the comfort of the F75...........and the XLT no matter what I did nailed those darn bottle caps....It wasn't as deep either I used the 5.3 coil...It ate up the pulltabs and when disc out..Did not get anything but trash..So the f75 will out hunt the XLT in trash and I suspect it may
do much better in an open cleaner hunting site..........The target response was so slow on the XLt compared to the F75 lightening response you got bored using the xlt...........Very hard getting between the trash.................... I may be a spoiled F75 hunter from now on....
do much better in an open cleaner hunting site..........The target response was so slow on the XLt compared to the F75 lightening response you got bored using the xlt...........Very hard getting between the trash.................... I may be a spoiled F75 hunter from now on....
Brett from Leeds NY
New member
Just thought I would put in my two cents since I own a DFX and a F75. The DFX is famous for not locking on targets as well as other detectors and I think the F75 locks on well. As for depth I live in upstate NY and most things I dig are less than 7 inches deep(mostly because I dig in plowed fields) but I did dig a Barber half at about 11 inches down that a friend who uses Whites swears the DFX would'nt touch. The one thing about the F75 is it is super sensitive. It will go in to overload on aluminum cans and even can lids if the sensitivity is not turned down. I guess thats a good trade off, overly sensitive but with great depth. The last thing is battery life. No contest here the F75 sips battery juice while the DFX chugs like a frat kid at a kegger! The real kicker there is the DFX uses 8 batteries and the F75 uses 4 and the F75 still lasts way longer and the F75 has a back light on all the time!
hi brett!
when you dug the barber,were you in (de) mode or (j.e).or in "stat" all metal?..have you been able to run in (je) mode with the sensitivity backed off?..how about "stat" mode?..just wondering,as may get one!..do you hunt coins in trashy parks at all?.if so,what has been your results?..do ya use the 6" coil at all?
thanks!
(h.h!)
j.t.
when you dug the barber,were you in (de) mode or (j.e).or in "stat" all metal?..have you been able to run in (je) mode with the sensitivity backed off?..how about "stat" mode?..just wondering,as may get one!..do you hunt coins in trashy parks at all?.if so,what has been your results?..do ya use the 6" coil at all?
thanks!
(h.h!)
j.t.
I'm haveing trouble on deciding on which detector to get the F 70 or the F 75.I'm 6'7" and I need the longer lower shaft I just want to hunt coins and jewlery right now then later maybe get into relics I just dont know wich
detector is more stable and not as erattic i heard that the F 70 is more stable and if your not going to hunt relics only coins or jewlery that your better off with the F 70.And which is more stable to run and easier to set up.
And does anyone know how the F 70 coil is working out on the F 75....
detector is more stable and not as erattic i heard that the F 70 is more stable and if your not going to hunt relics only coins or jewlery that your better off with the F 70.And which is more stable to run and easier to set up.
And does anyone know how the F 70 coil is working out on the F 75....
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
You will have personal tastes and preferences that you will prefer over others and the ground will always have the last say as to detector performance no matter what make or model.
I put a lot of time on both machines.
The draw back to the DFX is that you have to put in some time to learn the thing and then learn to put in the time to set it right for the ground conditions. This includes coil selection. You can do a lot of tweaking to get it just right for a particular site. Once you have done that it is a very good performer. If there are any limitations you have to decide if you can live with those limitations or not.
The draw back to the F-75 is that you have to put in some time to learn the thing and then learn to put in the time to set it right for the ground conditions.This includes coil selection. You are limited to the fixed features of the machine. It can be a very good performer. If there are any limitations you have to decide if you can live with those limitations or not.
My final personal opinion for most of my ground conditions is that I couldn't accept the limitations of the F-75 once it was set for my ground conditions. Knowing what I know now, I would choose the DFX over the F-75 for use in my ground conditions.
Unfortunately only experience will tell you which will work better for you so get out the check book.
HH
Mike
I put a lot of time on both machines.
The draw back to the DFX is that you have to put in some time to learn the thing and then learn to put in the time to set it right for the ground conditions. This includes coil selection. You can do a lot of tweaking to get it just right for a particular site. Once you have done that it is a very good performer. If there are any limitations you have to decide if you can live with those limitations or not.
The draw back to the F-75 is that you have to put in some time to learn the thing and then learn to put in the time to set it right for the ground conditions.This includes coil selection. You are limited to the fixed features of the machine. It can be a very good performer. If there are any limitations you have to decide if you can live with those limitations or not.
My final personal opinion for most of my ground conditions is that I couldn't accept the limitations of the F-75 once it was set for my ground conditions. Knowing what I know now, I would choose the DFX over the F-75 for use in my ground conditions.
Unfortunately only experience will tell you which will work better for you so get out the check book.
HH
Mike
vlad
Well-known member
TINFOIL & I both put the DFX through the wringer for 2 years. Our results are factual empirical data.
[The ground here measures between 44 & 55 on the F-75.]
The DFX is a MINE LAB circuit that has had the gain turned down drastically from the XLT.
No matter the freq. method, filters, recovery speed, BC reject, hot rock reject, and running with
Disc. turned off, or anything else the max depth we could get was 7" on a dime, in a multitude of environments.
I'd take the XLT, MXT, XL Pro, or even a Classic I.D. with Mr Bill's mods over it ANY DAY.
The ACE-250 would give it a run for the money with the larger coil.
ACTUAL FIELD EXPERIENCE. Not opinion.
[The ground here measures between 44 & 55 on the F-75.]
The DFX is a MINE LAB circuit that has had the gain turned down drastically from the XLT.
No matter the freq. method, filters, recovery speed, BC reject, hot rock reject, and running with
Disc. turned off, or anything else the max depth we could get was 7" on a dime, in a multitude of environments.
I'd take the XLT, MXT, XL Pro, or even a Classic I.D. with Mr Bill's mods over it ANY DAY.
The ACE-250 would give it a run for the money with the larger coil.
ACTUAL FIELD EXPERIENCE. Not opinion.
Not too sure what ground conditions Mike Hillis has issues with but he is unhappy with the F75.
The F75 has both Fast Grab and manual Ground Balance.
It works fine in soils in the 90's where I have been and at the coast where I have been as well as others. It is not difficult to learn to operate and as one can see from reports: it performs. There are only two coils and if there is any confusion as to which to use, use the small one. The stock coil for many is gathering dust because some are hitting the difficult (trashy) areas that other machines failed in. It is a FUN machine! Anyone who has one and has had other brands/models knows this thing is hot. There is NO soil the machine cannot handle so any failure has to be operator failure.
There will always be buyers' remorse when there are buyers. Maybe there is another machine Mike wants, and wants to trade-up because he wanted to sell his F75. For whatever reason Mike wants to get rid of his F75, it is not because did not know how to use Fast Grab! Once hot, now cold,.... WHY? I am done chasing rainbows for some time because this machine is THE new Benchmark in VLF's. So there is my comparison. The function, design, firmware, Display, components and tooling is all new. For the information alone, the display's features should tell you there is no comparison to a machine that was top list,.... how many years ago? Mike was one of the early owners when the F75 was released, so was I.
Limitations? We are still exploring the possibilities!
Comparing machines is not an easy task, because there is an investment of your time to the hobby and the equipment and I agree with Mike on that. Where to jump on the merry-go-round in the hobby can be a challenge for the novice. Buy what you can afford without any second thought. Buy what you trust by talking to the users who BOUGHT their equipment. Wait on new models if you do not have the stomach to take the plunge. We all like to make well informed decisions on the things we buy and own because we like to have pride of ownership. I love my F75. It puts smiles on my face. It is a surprise in performance but I am also actively testing it to do what other machines I own cannot do. At this point, I cannot understand why anyone would sell such a good machine except to trade up for a more expensive new release they cannot afford, looking for the rainbow. No pulse machine can do what this VLF can. A pulse may be deeper seeking and harder hitting on deep targets but we need to see what the limits of depth and discrimination are. Stay tuned.
My suggestion is get the best VLF and Pulse you can afford if you must own both (not the most expensive). They are like night and day.
Why the need for a small coil? This F75 sees so much of what is in the ground that a smaller coil is required in trashy locations. Is that a problem? We are looking for targets in the dirt so everything is fair game. The more you can detect in the ground, the more targets are removed from the ground.
Sunny Jim
The F75 has both Fast Grab and manual Ground Balance.
It works fine in soils in the 90's where I have been and at the coast where I have been as well as others. It is not difficult to learn to operate and as one can see from reports: it performs. There are only two coils and if there is any confusion as to which to use, use the small one. The stock coil for many is gathering dust because some are hitting the difficult (trashy) areas that other machines failed in. It is a FUN machine! Anyone who has one and has had other brands/models knows this thing is hot. There is NO soil the machine cannot handle so any failure has to be operator failure.
There will always be buyers' remorse when there are buyers. Maybe there is another machine Mike wants, and wants to trade-up because he wanted to sell his F75. For whatever reason Mike wants to get rid of his F75, it is not because did not know how to use Fast Grab! Once hot, now cold,.... WHY? I am done chasing rainbows for some time because this machine is THE new Benchmark in VLF's. So there is my comparison. The function, design, firmware, Display, components and tooling is all new. For the information alone, the display's features should tell you there is no comparison to a machine that was top list,.... how many years ago? Mike was one of the early owners when the F75 was released, so was I.
Limitations? We are still exploring the possibilities!
Comparing machines is not an easy task, because there is an investment of your time to the hobby and the equipment and I agree with Mike on that. Where to jump on the merry-go-round in the hobby can be a challenge for the novice. Buy what you can afford without any second thought. Buy what you trust by talking to the users who BOUGHT their equipment. Wait on new models if you do not have the stomach to take the plunge. We all like to make well informed decisions on the things we buy and own because we like to have pride of ownership. I love my F75. It puts smiles on my face. It is a surprise in performance but I am also actively testing it to do what other machines I own cannot do. At this point, I cannot understand why anyone would sell such a good machine except to trade up for a more expensive new release they cannot afford, looking for the rainbow. No pulse machine can do what this VLF can. A pulse may be deeper seeking and harder hitting on deep targets but we need to see what the limits of depth and discrimination are. Stay tuned.
My suggestion is get the best VLF and Pulse you can afford if you must own both (not the most expensive). They are like night and day. Why the need for a small coil? This F75 sees so much of what is in the ground that a smaller coil is required in trashy locations. Is that a problem? We are looking for targets in the dirt so everything is fair game. The more you can detect in the ground, the more targets are removed from the ground.
Sunny Jim