Detector Vs Detector

[Dancer]

Brand vs Brand. Kinda refreshing to have a spirited debate on opinions of various machines. Couple of things to consider got to be the ground your going to hunt. (Hot rocks, black sand, emi,iron etc) Water fresh/ salt or both. Iron infested, aluminum trash. If your areas got a extreme problem, got to check out the machines made to handle to that type of problem. After you got that figured out. It's up to the hunter to put his coil over what he's hunting more so than what machine he's using. One example. This winter 4 of us hunting a salt water beach for couple months. Four different respected brands. Everyone found some Gold. It was agreed that any of the machines could have found any of the targets. Biggest factor was honestly the hunters experience. Years ago someone wrote on these forums. "The best hunter can out hunt someone using his machine or using yours." So you lays your money down, and you take your chances. Same for vehicles, firearms, golf clubs, Women. Lol

 

[Southwind]

The best hunter can out hunt someone using his machine or using yours

That concept only works to a degree. For example, I don't care if you've been racing cars for 50 years if you're using a Jetta to race an amateur in a dragster you're going to lose period.

The detector does make a difference in most cases. Now 30 years ago I'd agreed, but today new detector technology is making a lot of the need for experience and optional.

 

[Dancer]

The best hunter can out hunt someone using his machine or using yours

That concept only works to a degree. For example, I don't care if you've been racing cars for 50 years if you're using a Jetta to race an amateur in a dragster you're going to lose period.

The detector does make a difference in most cases. Now 30 years ago I'd agreed, but today new detector technology is making a lot of the need for experience and optional.

Jetta vs Dragster
See your point Southwind, but Last year sometime, a techno sabie young man decided to lift a 1969 Dodge Muscle car. Arrested before he left the curb. (Thief never drove stick) Guy down the street from me, got a depth finder on his vessel, got more bells on it then Santa's sleigh. Lucky if my buddy and I can turn it on. We still catch fish, sometimes.

 

[amberjack]

new detector tech? thought vlf tech has been around for awhile is there new tech out I missed ?

thanks.

AJ

 

[Southwind]

new detector tech? thought vlf tech has been around for awhile is there new tech out I missed ?

Yes. I'd say you missed out on the fact I said 30 years ago. Don't even try and tell me the tech has not improved/changed in 30 years. VLF today is not like VLF 30 years ago.

I've got a Garrett ADS 4 with VLF that can't get 1/4th the depth of my E-Trac.

 

[Dancer]

new detector tech? thought vlf tech has been around for awhile is there new tech out I missed ?

Yes. I'd say you missed out on the fact I said 30 years ago. Don't even try and tell me the tech has not improved/changed in 30 years. VLF today is not like VLF 30 years ago.

I've got a Garrett ADS 4 with VLF that can't get 1/4th the depth of my E-Trac.

Yes, in your hands. But you would probably agree with me that you could out hunt me using your machine of choice. And beat me again using my machine. It's the site, the hunter than the machine. You think?

 

[marcomo]

It's the site, the hunter than the machine. You think?

I do. In that order.

 

[Southwind]

Yes, in your hands. But you would probably agree with me that you could out hunt me using your machine of choice. And beat me again using my machine. It's the site, the hunter than the machine. You think?

For the most part, yes. I still maintain that if I was using a Tesoro Compadre, not putting down the Compadre at all, and you or anyone else was using a Deus and we were to be hunting a site where the coins are 8+", like our city park, I would give the odds to the Deus user. But I will agree #1. Location. #2 User. #3. machine in most cases.

But, you have to agree that pecking order is getting closer all the time. Some of todays detectors can take a complete newbie and have them out pulling up deep goodies on their first hunt. That never would have happened just 10 years ago. Of course Location will always remain #1.

 

[mrwilburino]

Years ago someone wrote on these forums. "The best hunter can out hunt someone using his machine or using yours."

Sounds like an interesting challenge. We'll go nugget hunting. I'll use the Deus with the new coil at 81kHz. He can use my CTX.

 

[amberjack]

I agree the tech has improved but its not new.

AJ

 

[marcomo]

For the most part, yes. I still maintain that if I was using a Tesoro Compadre, not putting down the Compadre at all, and you or anyone else was using a Deus and we were to be hunting a site where the coins are 8+", like our city park, I would give the odds to the Deus user. But I will agree #1. Location. #2 User. #3. machine in most cases.

Very true. A Compadre (like you, not knocking the Compadre) and many other detectors for that matter, have no chance at coins lying 8+"

 

[jd88047]

Having hunted local parks for several years now I have been lucky enough to use several brands of detectors and seen others in action. Would the second part of the question be about a new coil or new detector finding what you did not before? Places are really never hunted out, just need a new angle. Maybe that is why new detectors are always exciting, even if they are last years detector. But have you seen some of the new detectors out there? Some of these take several months to learn.

 

[Hoser John]

The detector-any- is only as good as the man behind it-oops or woman. Dedication shows in finds as all have learning curves, some ez some not so. Closet queens gather dust and not gold-John

 

[Southwind]

detector-any- is only as good as the man behind it-oops or woman.

I have to disagree with respect. You can be the best detectorist in the world and you will only be as good as the detector you swing. That expert will only find what is within the capabilities of the detector and not necessarily their skill. their skill will bring out the best in that detector, but it still will be limited by the detector used.

So I would conclude that it is determined by the skill of the Detectorist AND the ability of the detector.

 

[vlad]

Its all about being willing to dig more questionable signals. All makes & models react similarly, so its the user's discretion.
In some areas that are old, my TID almost becomes a beep & dig. My Tek Mk-1 is an old machine [over 30+ years], and the motion mode
is down by modern standards, but its all metal mode is DEEP-and has brought some great recoveries.
Yes, there are lots of nails, but at some point any good target can read iron due to various factors. But get a big shovel full of dirt out of a hole,
and things change.
As Monte says, the only 100% correct discrimination, is with the eyes (digging it.)

 

[Dang]

Having hunted local parks for several years now I have been lucky enough to use several brands of detectors and seen others in action. Would the second part of the question be about a new coil or new detector finding what you did not before? Places are really never hunted out, just need a new angle. Maybe that is why new detectors are always exciting, even if they are last years detector. But have you seen some of the new detectors out there? Some of these take several months to learn.

Haha. ....im still trying to get the hang of my XLT!