One of the things about most current detector configurations that I don't understand, is the tendency to put a lot of the weight in front of the hand. The White's machines seem to have it right with putting the processor under the arm and the display right above the hand, but why aren't more of the manufacturers following suite? I only see one of the current Minelab configurations set up that way, but the price of that machine will give most of us pause. Also, if you divide up the weight that way you can actually set it up to use 8 AAs or their equivalent and make the LCD display more configurable. In fact, the LCD display should be set up so you can choose what you want displayed to eliminate information overload. With the technology itself seemingly at a standstill, with regards to depth and discrimination capability, the real challenge would be to design an extremely user-friendly, durable, configurable, fast recovery, not overly EMI sensitive, well balanced machine that kept the price point within reach of a lot of users. I see a lot of good things in different machines, but I have yet to see a machine that captured most of those qualities in one machine, but then maybe I'm missing something.
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Detector Configuration Puzzle
- Thread starter Canewrap
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Yeah...ergonomics are super important for staying out longer and hunting harder...what goods a heavy poorly balanced rig if it makes a guy feel awful and and cant control the coil comfortably for long?
F 70 series is perfect...and I bet the Deus is too...so a good Deus/F70 shootout would make for some decent dialog...!
Still, you should have a look at the F70 with the 11"dd coil..(or something similar designed by Dave J on this platform)...F70 is a sleeper,.half the price of the Deus,...very ergo, and very set-uppable to take care of your EMI concerns...just saying, trying to help and foster debate...take in mind I have 1000's of hours on a F70, and satisfied in every aspect you mentioned....so any person tempted to reply in a brand dispute should be ready to defend their position dictated by your original parameters outlined in your post, and be prepared to reply accordingly!
I got time, and Lord knows I can type!
Mud
F 70 series is perfect...and I bet the Deus is too...so a good Deus/F70 shootout would make for some decent dialog...!
Still, you should have a look at the F70 with the 11"dd coil..(or something similar designed by Dave J on this platform)...F70 is a sleeper,.half the price of the Deus,...very ergo, and very set-uppable to take care of your EMI concerns...just saying, trying to help and foster debate...take in mind I have 1000's of hours on a F70, and satisfied in every aspect you mentioned....so any person tempted to reply in a brand dispute should be ready to defend their position dictated by your original parameters outlined in your post, and be prepared to reply accordingly!
I got time, and Lord knows I can type!Mud
My concern would be getting a good F70. I went through two F70s a few years back and both had issues that didn't get any better after being sent back for "repairs" a few times. But, part of the problem might have been the vendors insistence on using UPS to ship them to me and the UPS driver in my neighborhood, at the time, loved to throw packages onto porches from a distance. I even came out on the porch one time and he still threw the package at me from halfway across the yard. I sent back a lot of coils and machines during that period and I suspect it was because of that driver. Anyway, the trick just might be getting a machine from a dealer that I can test before I walk away with it. Another big concern I had was the build quality, with that thin mylar LCD screen. Have you had any problems with that?
Let me say I have treated my F70 with utter and reckless usage! Its almost at the point of complete disgrace regarding taking care of it...I got the thing 4 yrs ago today, so maybe thats why I'm ready to defend it to my utmost ability...(y'all know I pulled a 10k coin year with it in 2012?) so any other takers to this debate better be prepared to step up accordingly!
Its only been in the house maybe twice, it lives out in my car, in all sorts of weather, I hunt with it in the water, I hunt with it in the snow, Mud, high wind and sand beach hunting...any and all weather...I fling it around and never once took the time to wash it down or do anything except change the batteries every 40hrs or so!...I dont have a coil cover, or control cover, I hunt in the rain with just a towel draped over the screen to "protect" it!...on the scale of all F70 users, I'm pretty sure I'm the roughest one on this product, at least from what I've read here on Findmall...its seen sub zero and +100 degree..so now its become sort of a challenge for me to see what this thing can take..within reason of course, (I'm crazy, but not too stupid I hope),
Main thing is its got way too much power and waaaayy too many adjustments and features for any new user to just pick it up and GO...you can if you sort of get the idea regarding its designed intent and read the specs and owners manual, set up with some comfortable parameters and learn what its saying...understanding modulated/proportional audio feedback is the key to this..
I doubt theres another machine out there with this many tone options for instance, not even the Deus....just those tone features alone will keep a guy busy trying to figure it all out....then, throw in coil speed...the things got such a fast recovery, that most users coming from a diff brand swing it too slow...I mean really sling blade speed! The things a flat out ground gobbler...surgical weapon...and I dont even use the half of its power or capabilities...
Mud
Its almost at the point of complete disgrace regarding taking care of it...I got the thing 4 yrs ago today, so maybe thats why I'm ready to defend it to my utmost ability...(y'all know I pulled a 10k coin year with it in 2012?) so any other takers to this debate better be prepared to step up accordingly!Its only been in the house maybe twice, it lives out in my car, in all sorts of weather, I hunt with it in the water, I hunt with it in the snow, Mud, high wind and sand beach hunting...any and all weather...I fling it around and never once took the time to wash it down or do anything except change the batteries every 40hrs or so!...I dont have a coil cover, or control cover, I hunt in the rain with just a towel draped over the screen to "protect" it!...on the scale of all F70 users, I'm pretty sure I'm the roughest one on this product, at least from what I've read here on Findmall...its seen sub zero and +100 degree..so now its become sort of a challenge for me to see what this thing can take..within reason of course, (I'm crazy, but not too stupid I hope),
Main thing is its got way too much power and waaaayy too many adjustments and features for any new user to just pick it up and GO...you can if you sort of get the idea regarding its designed intent and read the specs and owners manual, set up with some comfortable parameters and learn what its saying...understanding modulated/proportional audio feedback is the key to this..
I doubt theres another machine out there with this many tone options for instance, not even the Deus....just those tone features alone will keep a guy busy trying to figure it all out....then, throw in coil speed...the things got such a fast recovery, that most users coming from a diff brand swing it too slow...I mean really sling blade speed! The things a flat out ground gobbler...surgical weapon...and I dont even use the half of its power or capabilities...
Mud