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Detecting question

Elton

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What level of detectorist does one need to be at to use 15" 18" and even larger coils ..........

I as a coin hunter use mostly standard stock coils ..maybe a smaller once in awhile. As a Hobby detectorist I have never seen the need for gigantic coils

How often do you detect..what are you looking for with the larger coils... does it increase your success detecting???

Thank you I appreciate your taking the time to fill me in....
 
I stay with my regular coil. 11 inch is great for me! I have 15 inch coil but not good for high trash park like in Chicago! Large coil might be useful for low trash or wild open like farm field!
 
I think a really large coil has its place, like on a beach or open field where targets are few and the realestate is huge...the problem is swinging one all day long without wearing out...look at this footprint I came across one day at the beach!....I had a case of coil envy compared to my 'little' 11"dd! :lmfao:
Mud.
 
Only very few detectors can continue to get coin-sized targets deeper, with those monsterous large coils that you speak of (15", 18", etc...) . For most every detector, the "point of dimishing returns" on coin-sized targets, is about the 10 or 11" diameter. When you get larger than that, you're only : A) increasing coverage swath, and B) increasing depth on larger target (jars, hubcaps, etc...).

A few exceptions to this coin-depth rule are the sov/wot combo, and perhaps the 3030/17" combo. And don't foget the inherent drawbacks of larger coils: fishier performance, horrible pinpointing, more masking, etc...
 
I use a Sovereign GT. I have a variety of coils for it from the small S-5 to the Detech Ultimate 13" one. My favorite coil is the Detech Sef 10X12 as it seems to find me targets that are just a little bit deeper than I get with the 13 or the standard 10 inch coil. I can run the sensitivity pretty high and the coil remains stable. Pin Pointing with the DD coil is much easier for me than trying to do so with a concentric coil. I also have been able to pick coins out of some pretty trashy areas with that coil.

The 13 coil is great for large areas that are not trashy. It gives you the ability to cover more territory but does not work as well in for some of the trashy parks that I sometimes try to coax something good out of.

I think that in a highly mineralized soil the larger coils might not perform as well as a slightly smaller coil. Since the smaller coil would have less mineralization to contend with.
 
I own and use detectors with large coil combinations here in the UK,dont use them all the time as they are mainly site specif use machines,when and why would i use them,well currently working 3 hoard sites that have all the hallmarks of a machine scattered pot hoards ie deep ploughing with powerful tracked tractors that usually start taking the tops of of pots/containers or what ever that can indicate a scattered hoard.As celtic or romans did not have banks to deposit valuable in times of strife,rape,pillage,war etc they would basically dig a hole near a landmarked area say a tree or what ever then come back after the skermish or problem was over,of course alot of folks never did come back to recover these valuables hence we are finding hoards with detectors.

So when you start finding coins or artifacts its usually coins that start appearing in a tight radius or a certain pattern that these coins are being dragged up after each pass of the plough you then have a very good indication that a hoard is in that location,you would tend to work the are with a detector with a stock coil 1st usally a VLF machine as this would indicate any possibility of iron.I usually then add a larger coil in the 15'' range and then peel the next layer of finds off and then use a 18'' coil to try and locate the main bulk of the hoard.Coils over a certain size on both VLF and Pulse machines start loosing sensitivity to single coins after a certain coil size but the will locate larger items much deeper.

For every day use a larger coil is a waste of time,masking or nulling of signal due to multiple targets under the coil at the same time ie iron and say a gold ring and the ring could be nulled out as it picks up on the iron then discriminates it out.So hence the reason you try to clear out the junk 1st before using the larger coil.

If i want to go deeper still then i can and do ue the big fella the Pulse with the 18'' coil on but that mainly for locating larger targets,totally forget about small coins with a large coil as its a waste of time,of course if one requires to go down and locate bigger targets then you can and i use a 2 box detector but once again only on site specific locations.

Do large coils have uses,of course they do but not for every day use,if you are in Aussie land after deep ultra large nuggets then you would tend to use the right tool for the job this usually is the mighty GPX with a big coil on,if you do relic hunting for CW artifacts then once again you would use a large coil on a detector or in my case hoard hunting.

Its all about the reward to effort ration in your favour and i guess thats when experiance starts to count on when and when not to use a larger coil,you would not use this type of combination in a tots lot.
 
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I have 2 excals that have 15 inch coils on them hardwired to the motherboard, they both also have remote pinpoint mod mounted on the hand grip, there is a rocker switch that switches between pinpoint and discrimination. One excal has the WOT coil, the other has a SEF12 by 15 inch coil, both have reverse pinpoint mod mounted on the hand grip that use a thumb rocker switch switch between pinpoint nd discrimination mode

I hunt in all metal pp mode, when I hit a target i switch to discrimination using thumb switch to check target, if I still have no tone I continue to dig, if I get a null, I resweep from a 90 degree different angle if it still nulls I cover up and move on, if I get good tone I continue to dig to recover target.

By using this method I have recovered targets that I would never have seen in discrimination mode, recovered many targets from 15 to 20 inches many times. It is like having a PI with true discrimination...

Here are some pics of detector...
 
@ treasure_hunter ,that is a serious nice piece of kit,and you have modified them so they are even better than original :thumbup:
 
Elton, i find the sov gt 15 inch wot combo to be killer on deep copper... i use it for farm field hunting and beach hunting..basically anywhere where digging very deep holes is easy...i do not use it in parks or the like... most of these finds where found with the gt wot coil combo... probably about 75 to 80 % of these were gt wot finds... the advantage i find is the wot will quite often see right thru the smaller trash and hit on this deeper stuff...simply put- larger coil -larger finds...this is the point at which masking actually works in ones favor.... almost all of these finds came from like 5 or 6 different spots... i dont always find large cents when i hunt these places but when i do i usually end up with 2 or 3 per hunt...its just a matter of timing ,settings and conditions... having said all that ive also found many small items at various depths with this combo as well... [attachment 311910 20150422_1842061.jpg][attachment 311911 20150422_1853311.jpg][attachment 311912 20150422_1842221.jpg][attachment 311913 20150422_1842321.jpg][attachment 311914 20150422_1842421.jpg]
 
I tried the 17" coil on my 3030 and it was just too big. I do much better with the stock 10" and 11" coils.
Best of luck!
 
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EbbTide said:
I tried the 17" coil on my 3030 and it was just too big. I do much better with the stock 10" and 11" coils.
Best of luck!

My friend bought 17 inch coil for his 3030 and he's not happy! Too big and too heavy so he got his money back!
 
BHpa that is an impressive collection of coins!

Elton I can see where a large (fairly clean area) would benefit from a larger coil coverage wise and obviously depth wise. They certainly have their place. As BHpa made the statement, "with the gt wot coil combo... probably about 75 to 80 % of these were gt wot finds... the advantage i find is the wot will quite often see right thru the smaller trash and hit on this deeper stuff...simply put- larger coil -larger finds...this is the point at which masking actually works in ones favor" I found the same thing applied in my situation as well (when I ran with the Sov GT) The bigger coils actually ignored the smaller junk and locked on quite nicely to coins. As you know some of these smaller coils are outstanding not only in separation, but have pretty darn good depth that closely match their larger counterparts! I wish you the best this season Elton and hope you find a detector you really like. I state this as I notice you are extremely interested in the Racer. :cheers: - Jim
 
ChicagoJohn said:
EbbTide said:
I tried the 17" coil on my 3030 and it was just too big. I do much better with the stock 10" and 11" coils.
Best of luck!

My friend bought 17 inch coil for his 3030 and he's not happy! Too big and too heavy so he got his money back!
that's what the M.L. pro swing is for! I have personally got much much more out of sites I pounded to death with the 11 inch stock ctx coil!
 
I hunt a 12.5" on a Gti 1500 & a 14" on a Infinium. No trouble in open spaces. If I'm digging coins, the weight doesn't hurt. But of course, no targets = sore arm.
 
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