This question is regarding the Outlaw & the Vaquero.-----On a buried target (coin) and with all things being equal as much as possible & without being super tuned.----Which of these two detectors sees a high conductor buried coin target (say a dime) the deepest?----Not talking about air tests but rather side by side buried target tests of these two detectors on high conductors.
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Depth question
- Thread starter D&P-OR
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joe dirt_1
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I think Robert from Tesoro said the Vaquero was the deeper of the two back when the Outlaw was just coming out on the market.
I have never used the outlaw, but can vouch for the Vaquero....deep on coins and just amazing how hard it hits on deep small lead and brass targets.
HH..........
Roger
I have never used the outlaw, but can vouch for the Vaquero....deep on coins and just amazing how hard it hits on deep small lead and brass targets.
HH..........
Roger
SpiritRelic
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Vaquero is deeper even with no supertune.The Outlaw is smoother and more versatile.
How much deeper on averge would u say with gain at 10 and disc at foil on a coin or button? Love ur videos btw HH cheersSpiritRelic said:Vaquero is deeper even with no supertune.The Outlaw is smoother and more versatile.
Hi Postal, I have an Outlaw but not a Vaq and I would be interested in the answer to your question too. I have heard a lot of claims but have never seen or read the results of a actual real-world comparison. Im thinking that the difference is likely not all that great, but if an inch or two means a lot to you, every anicdotal comment Ive seen says the Vaq goes deeper. Again, that might be because there are a whole lot of Vaq owners out there that like and know their machines. The Outlaw is still fairly new and does not have the same cult following.
My Outlaw hits solidly on a clad dime at 7 -7.5 inches with the 8 inch coil in mild soil (http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1909491,1910377#msg-1910377) in a three month old coin garden. I take that as a minimum depth as the common assumption is coins buried for decades will be easier to detect at greater depths. Ive seen testimonials of the Vaq going 9 - 9.5 inches on dimes, 10-11 inches on quarters, but cant recall if those are air tests, gardens, or real hunts.Both will find big iron as deep as 20 inches from what Ive read.
Thats all I got. Im still learning these machines as well. Hope that helps.
My Outlaw hits solidly on a clad dime at 7 -7.5 inches with the 8 inch coil in mild soil (http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1909491,1910377#msg-1910377) in a three month old coin garden. I take that as a minimum depth as the common assumption is coins buried for decades will be easier to detect at greater depths. Ive seen testimonials of the Vaq going 9 - 9.5 inches on dimes, 10-11 inches on quarters, but cant recall if those are air tests, gardens, or real hunts.Both will find big iron as deep as 20 inches from what Ive read.
Thats all I got. Im still learning these machines as well. Hope that helps.
mojotrout said:Hi Postal, I have an Outlaw but not a Vaq and I would be interested in the answer to your question too. I have heard a lot of claims but have never seen or read the results of a actual real-world comparison. Im thinking that the difference is likely not all that great, but if an inch or two means a lot to you, every anicdotal comment Ive seen says the Vaq goes deeper. Again, that might be because there are a whole lot of Vaq owners out there that like and know their machines. The Outlaw is still fairly new and does not have the same cult following.
My Outlaw hits solidly on a clad dime at 7 -7.5 inches with the 8 inch coil in mild soil (http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1909491,1910377#msg-1910377) in a three month old coin garden. I take that as a minimum depth as the common assumption is coins buried for decades will be easier to detect at greater depths. Ive seen testimonials of the Vaq going 9 - 9.5 inches on dimes, 10-11 inches on quarters, but cant recall if those are air tests, gardens, or real hunts.Both will find big iron as deep as 20 inches from what Ive read.
Thats all I got. Im still learning these machines as well. Hope that helps.
depth is not the most important thing to me audio feedback is and excellent discrim is i wanna be able to hit that coin in iron. but i was curious how much deeper the vaq is in normal hunting situatuions
SpiritRelic
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Think about this?The hot line up does not offer the 12x10 concentric.Why?This is information from a post by Jack Gifford:The hot detectors run too much gain to be stable with that big of a concentric coil.Concentric coils fight against the ground more than a DD will.The Outlaw has a secret weapon.The 12x10 concentric were the Vaquero does not have that coil.This is were the Outlaw could get the Vaquero if the ground is good.The umax detectors are more stable therefore they can handle the big concentric coil.The umax detectors tend to have better discrimination,re tune design speeds plays are big part of the detector just like freq does.The Outlaw could pan out to actually be a all around better detector than the Vaquero.It is as simple as this.The umax detectors are smooth and the hot detectors are strong.I would not be surprised if the move is on possibly by Tesoro to design the next generation detectors like in the profile as smart phone type control box.Tesoro could build or outsource the phone type body and screen and design the detector programs that can be purchased at Tesoro .com.You purchase your new detector like you buy a new smart phone app.You may have five different Tesoro detectors on this one computer that is small and compact like the smart phone is.Small stealthy type carbon fiber telescoping pull out ultra light weight rod with super thin pancake coil and you could hunt anywhere real quick.I am running out of room on my phone.Sorry for steering of topic.There are just few outlaw users right now,that is all.The Outlaw i believe could give the Vaquero a good run for the money.
SpiritRelic
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You can purchase a separate 12x10 5 pin concentric coil that would turn the Outlaw into a real deep seeker but,the ground must be good,lower on the trash scale,more open type area and the Outlaw will dive deep i promise you.You can get amazing depth with a big concentric on a Outlaw.If the ground starts to get any minerals at all it is best to switch to big DD'S.The 9x8 concentric would do excellent for depth on the Outlaw and it was not selected for the package either.Idxpro said:Spirit, isnt the 12x10 for the outlaw a dd and not a concentric coil??
SpiritRelic
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I see what you mean.Tesoro reworked the coil site section and did not see it.This coil has been offered for many years.I really hope this coil is not out of production because i was getting one.This would be the coil for the outlaw and deep woods relic and coin hunting.Crap,i don't have the money to get one before they are all gone.Here,go to kellyco site,go to Tesoro coils section,keep looking down threw the coils.Here is the kellyco part number-Tesoro 12x10 concentric spoked search coil with short cable.cat#1534-c12x10cow. $135.15Idxpro said:Spirit, where and what model coil? All i see on tesoro site is a dd coil and not concentric
Great post, however the only thing I am not sure about is one post mentioned the Umax ahas the best discriminator, I am not sure on that. I have a umax and had the V, I also had the Tejon and the Tejon had an excellent discriminator. Maybe because it runs so hot and that you have to really understand the tone that it would seem that way. Either way, I think Tesoro discrimination is excellent as a hole.
John (Ma) said:Great post, however the only thing I am not sure about is one post mentioned the Umax ahas the best discriminator, I am not sure on that. I have a umax and had the V, I also had the Tejon and the Tejon had an excellent discriminator. Maybe because it runs so hot and that you have to really understand the tone that it would seem that way. Either way, I think Tesoro discrimination is excellent as a hole.
that was a quote from jack gifford
SpiritRelic
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I want this coil for the Outlaw mostly.Also it will get me some easy deep silver picking's with the Golden umax.Got my eye on a cleensweep for the tejon for the beach and open grounds.