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Depth On The Golden umax
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HaroldILL.
Active member
The New tone Goldens are at least a inch hotter in My opinion. Then You put on the 8" Brown donut coil and get another inch at least.
I have a New tone model with a Brown donut and can hit 9" Silver dimes with the proper tone. My ground is Mild and I run 0 Disc. and Sens.as High as possible without falsing which in My area is about 3/4 in the red. And threshold at barley audible. This set-up is key to squeeze the most depth out of it.
I have a New tone model with a Brown donut and can hit 9" Silver dimes with the proper tone. My ground is Mild and I run 0 Disc. and Sens.as High as possible without falsing which in My area is about 3/4 in the red. And threshold at barley audible. This set-up is key to squeeze the most depth out of it.
HaroldILL.
Active member
Yep, eventhough two of the 3 are dinosaurs according to the Newbs of today.
hihosilver
Member
I have the Old Tone configuration, can’t compare depth wise with the new, as I never owned one and I think location, emi, are all factors for depth. With the eight inch donut coil, I can airtest a silver quarter at 8”, maybe 9”. Out in the field, I have dug pulltabs as deep as 8”, in moist soil.
I prefer the 7” WS coil on the Golden, it is not as deep as the 8” coil, about an inch less in my air tests, but I think the Golden performs better with the smaller WS coil. It separates better, gives a more distinctive tone response, and I am able to better ID the deeper aluminum tabs. I have found that with either 9x8 or 8” concentric coils, the deeper tabs often sound off with the high tone... which is very frustrating. The 7” WS does not do that.
I don’t think the Golden was designed for finding deeper silver... if that is what you are looking for. It was designed for gold jewelry, and it hits the clad and silver in the 5-6” depth range nicely. It’s a great park machine. I can set it up to give a dirty low or mixed low tone on most foils (the stuff balled up is hard, hits like a nickel), and with that notch width set in this way, almost all of my pulltabs notch out in the narrow notch setting, while still hitting on all my smaller gold rings, including my own 10k white gold wedding band, which is about 6mm wide.
With this set up, one one or two of the more modern tabs are still hitting (again, sounding like a nickel) as well as some can slaw, but a lot of can slaw disappears, or gives a broken signal.
With the Golden, the best depth is found with the lowest disc setting you can tolerate. It looses depth quickly with higher discrimination... but the tones let you keep the disc low.
For deeper silver, I think the Vaquero would be better because it keeps its detection depth even at high disc settings... I know some claim the Outlaw is better for deeper silver because of the lower frequency, but like the Golden, the Outlaw also looses depth at higher disc settings.
This is just my own experience with my Golden in my neck of the woods. If you can find one... grab it! I hardly think there is a better machine for modern parks.
I prefer the 7” WS coil on the Golden, it is not as deep as the 8” coil, about an inch less in my air tests, but I think the Golden performs better with the smaller WS coil. It separates better, gives a more distinctive tone response, and I am able to better ID the deeper aluminum tabs. I have found that with either 9x8 or 8” concentric coils, the deeper tabs often sound off with the high tone... which is very frustrating. The 7” WS does not do that.
I don’t think the Golden was designed for finding deeper silver... if that is what you are looking for. It was designed for gold jewelry, and it hits the clad and silver in the 5-6” depth range nicely. It’s a great park machine. I can set it up to give a dirty low or mixed low tone on most foils (the stuff balled up is hard, hits like a nickel), and with that notch width set in this way, almost all of my pulltabs notch out in the narrow notch setting, while still hitting on all my smaller gold rings, including my own 10k white gold wedding band, which is about 6mm wide.
With this set up, one one or two of the more modern tabs are still hitting (again, sounding like a nickel) as well as some can slaw, but a lot of can slaw disappears, or gives a broken signal.
With the Golden, the best depth is found with the lowest disc setting you can tolerate. It looses depth quickly with higher discrimination... but the tones let you keep the disc low.
For deeper silver, I think the Vaquero would be better because it keeps its detection depth even at high disc settings... I know some claim the Outlaw is better for deeper silver because of the lower frequency, but like the Golden, the Outlaw also looses depth at higher disc settings.
This is just my own experience with my Golden in my neck of the woods. If you can find one... grab it! I hardly think there is a better machine for modern parks.
I have been trying to get my golden groove back but just aint happening. I just got it back from tesoro and it checked out fine but i cant seem to pick up on it like used too. Had a lotta good times with it but something changed, maybe my hearing but don't think so. Dug more junk then i did with my Compadre lately. i had not detected for a couple years but hit it hard the last 2 months and last fall. Been using the brown 8 inch coil and had that synced with the unit last month. Even detected a field with very few signals, thought i would re learn some things but didnt help. In parks with trash its just overwhelming, could be nothing under the coil but buddies mtx seems to do well. i used to better him in parks over all but not now. About ready to get a new unit and start from scratch.
Whimpster
Member
I have two Golden's...old tone and new tone, new tone is a 1" deeper.. average depth is about 7" to 8".
I'm running the brown 8" coil on the new tone.
Because of our Canadian coin make up... steel core with an alloy plating it does not give the proper tones as do the US coins.
So the notch does not have any advantage in my case....we have to learn the sounds of our coins which is a combination of iron grunt and a fluty mid high tone sound.
I set the Goldens up with no disc and run in all metal... when I hit a object that sounds clear and tight I switch to disc and see if I only get a iron grunt or get the multi tones.
If it's multi tone I dig it..on the rare occasion I get a clear tone is usually can slaw,tinfoil or a US coin.... rings and other jewelry will ring up with a clear tone.
Sometimes I get lucky and hit an older Canadian coin and it will give me the proper tones as well..
Over all the Golden is a great park machine...and I've found lots of Canadian clad with it..it's just a different language to learn.
In my opinion the Tesoro's are the best machines for hunting Canadian clad...
Cheer's
Whimp
I'm running the brown 8" coil on the new tone.
Because of our Canadian coin make up... steel core with an alloy plating it does not give the proper tones as do the US coins.
So the notch does not have any advantage in my case....we have to learn the sounds of our coins which is a combination of iron grunt and a fluty mid high tone sound.
I set the Goldens up with no disc and run in all metal... when I hit a object that sounds clear and tight I switch to disc and see if I only get a iron grunt or get the multi tones.
If it's multi tone I dig it..on the rare occasion I get a clear tone is usually can slaw,tinfoil or a US coin.... rings and other jewelry will ring up with a clear tone.
Sometimes I get lucky and hit an older Canadian coin and it will give me the proper tones as well..
Over all the Golden is a great park machine...and I've found lots of Canadian clad with it..it's just a different language to learn.
In my opinion the Tesoro's are the best machines for hunting Canadian clad...
Cheer's
Whimp
kittlitz
Active member
Hey Whimp, thanks for the info! I agree that Tesoros are better than most brands on our steel clad, and was really wondering how the Golden sounded on them.
Are you able to turn on the notch feature (e.g., to "Narrow") and still hear clad, or does that notch it out? It'd be great to be able to notch out some pulltabs while still accepting clad.
-Ken
Are you able to turn on the notch feature (e.g., to "Narrow") and still hear clad, or does that notch it out? It'd be great to be able to notch out some pulltabs while still accepting clad.
-Ken
Whimpster
Member
kittlitz....If you setup the notch for US coins using a US nickel and and run it Narrow notch you don't get the clean clear sounds that the US coins give....it sounds like a sick duck call..not clear and is cut off as you swing over Canadian clad.
If you use no notch then the Canadian coins all sound like a sick duck call...but are clear and not cut off.
So I leave the notch off and when i get a clear clean sound.. I know its either a US coin or a ring or something other then a Canadian coin...with the exception of older Canadian coins like copper and silver.
Older canadian nickels have a different sound not like the US nickel...
One great thing about the Golden and Canadian clad is you know you have a coin every time..they make a distinct sound...the sound is much louder on the toonie and the loonie coins...quarters also give a louder sound.
You have to forget about the US coin setup...or you will be digging a lot of trash..
If you ever get your hands on a golden it's a great park machine...I've found 7 gold rings and 5 silver so far..so it works on jewelry as well.
One last note..Canadian zinc penny's ring up the same as the US zinc penny.
Cheers Whimp
quote=kittlitz]
Hey Whimp, thanks for the info! I agree that Tesoros are better than most brands on our steel clad, and was really wondering how the Golden sounded on them.
Are you able to turn on the notch feature (e.g., to "Narrow") and still hear clad, or does that notch it out? It'd be great to be able to notch out some pulltabs while still accepting clad.
-Ken[/quote]
If you use no notch then the Canadian coins all sound like a sick duck call...but are clear and not cut off.
So I leave the notch off and when i get a clear clean sound.. I know its either a US coin or a ring or something other then a Canadian coin...with the exception of older Canadian coins like copper and silver.
Older canadian nickels have a different sound not like the US nickel...
One great thing about the Golden and Canadian clad is you know you have a coin every time..they make a distinct sound...the sound is much louder on the toonie and the loonie coins...quarters also give a louder sound.
You have to forget about the US coin setup...or you will be digging a lot of trash..
If you ever get your hands on a golden it's a great park machine...I've found 7 gold rings and 5 silver so far..so it works on jewelry as well.
One last note..Canadian zinc penny's ring up the same as the US zinc penny.
Cheers Whimp
quote=kittlitz]
Hey Whimp, thanks for the info! I agree that Tesoros are better than most brands on our steel clad, and was really wondering how the Golden sounded on them.
Are you able to turn on the notch feature (e.g., to "Narrow") and still hear clad, or does that notch it out? It'd be great to be able to notch out some pulltabs while still accepting clad.
-Ken[/quote]
hihosilver
Member
Whimpster said:
Based on my experience with the Golden, for you Canada guys getting mixed tones with your clad, if you are not going to use the the notch setting at all (the switch is in off), you should then be able to use the notch width nob to adjust the tone you get on the coins... perhaps it’s so bad that this does not work for you, but if I can make a nickel clear or mixed with the notch width nob, I think it may work for you. You may have to set the nob all the way in one direction or the other, but it’s worth a try.
Whimpster
Member
hihosilver said:
Ken...the notch width knob does seem to have much affect on changing the tones on Canadian clad...it still gives the sick duck or a fluted grunt/high tone not matter which way the knob is turned.
So I found by using all metal and then switching to disc to determine what the target is seems to work best for me...if it's a iron grunt I move on..if it's a mixed fluted tone or clear tone I dig it.
The golden is my favorite park machine...it loves our Canadian clad...adds up quick when your digging 1 and 2 dollar coins
....gota dig a lot of dimes and nickels to make a loonie or a toonie...lol. Cheers Whimp
kittlitz
Active member
Whimpster said:Ken...the notch width knob does seem to have much affect on changing the tones on Canadian clad...it still gives the sick duck or a fluted grunt/high tone not matter which way the knob is turned.
So I found by using all metal and then switching to disc to determine what the target is seems to work best for me...if it's a iron grunt I move on..if it's a mixed fluted tone or clear tone I dig it.
The golden is my favorite park machine...it loves our Canadian clad...adds up quick when your digging 1 and 2 dollar coins
Cheers Whimp
Thanks for info on the notch width, Whimp. I still dig a lot of pennies... so many of the darn things are still in the ground. But all it takes is finding a toonie or loonie to make the hunt worthwhile.
What are the advantages that hunting in all-metal gives? I don't know if it would be feasible at really trashy sites... if I do get a hold of a Golden, I think I'd try the 7" coil from my Mojave with it so that there are fewer targets under the coil at once. Or maybe get a 5.75" coil.
-Ken
Whimpster
Member
kittlitz said:Ken...the notch width knob does seem to have much affect on changing the tones on Canadian clad...it still gives the sick duck or a fluted grunt/high tone not matter which way the knob is turned.
So I found by using all metal and then switching to disc to determine what the target is seems to work best for me...if it's a iron grunt I move on..if it's a mixed fluted tone or clear tone I dig it.
The golden is my favorite park machine...it loves our Canadian clad...adds up quick when your digging 1 and 2 dollar coins
Cheers Whimp
Thanks for info on the notch width, Whimp. I still dig a lot of pennies... so many of the darn things are still in the ground. But all it takes is finding a toonie or loonie to make the hunt worthwhile.
What are the advantages that hunting in all-metal gives? I don't know if it would be feasible at really trashy sites... if I do get a hold of a Golden, I think I'd try the 7" coil from my Mojave with it so that there are fewer targets under the coil at once. Or maybe get a 5.75" coil.
-Ken
Ken...I find all metal gives me more depth... sketchy tone will become a solid tone but it's still just a single tone. You can tell a lot from that single tone but you might not know if you have a signal that you want to dig. It could be a nail or a coin because while you gained depth, you lost discrimination...so by switching to disc you can determine wether you have a iron sound or multi tones...
I've tried my Mojave coil but its way to positive in ground balance...and the Golden would need to be adjusted to that coil... haven't tried the 5.75 yet...I mostly hunt sports fields and parks with this machine.
kittlitz
Active member
Whimpster said:
Whimp, thanks for the all-metal tips and the heads up on the Mojave coil. I'd read somewhere that putting a smaller coil on a fixed-GB machine would make it balance to the negative, but I guess that's not always the case. My worry with the stock coil is that it'd be too big for some of the trash-inffested places I like to hunt. How do you find its target separation?
-Ken