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Depth (A little technical and long.)

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How much depth can you get must have been the first question that I was asked by the first guy I ran into that also likec to hunt for coins with a detector. I guess I have heard or read about how much depth now for a good 40 years where our detectors are concerned. We don
 
Depth isn't everything and I feel an Explorers ability to grab silvers where other fail may be just as important especially if your area is hard hit...Nice report and have to agree an Explorer is a 10 inch plus unit...and of course operators abiity and mineralization may put a plus or minus on that depth...
 
I agree Dan and don't recall how long it has been since I have had any concern about depth. I firmly believe areas like old parks, schools, those kinds of hunting areas whre there is a lot of trash metals have really done well for me. While I don't say much about it I enjoy using a small coil and looking through the trash for those nice finds. You can count on good finds if you get into a lot of trash because there has been a lot of use and also because hunting in trash metals is not what a lot of users seem to want to do. I guess that is for those of us that are older and have the time.
HH, Cody
 
Hello Cody,
If you are able to, can you please discuss how conductive and ferrous (inductance?) values are measured by a detector. Especially by a time domain detector like the EX.
Rgd, bing
 
When you see time domain that describes a metal detector consider the following. This tells us that the primary method of detection is best analyzed based on the temporal nature of the signals. A TD detector is a subgroup of a pulse induction detector. Also, consider that a square or rectangular wave drive to the transmit coil implies pulse induction and therefore time domain. However, a square wave or rectangular pulse contains multiple frequencies and for the Explorer it is 28.
Inductance is the ability of a conductor to have current induced by a magnetic field. A reference signal can be used and the distortion to the received signal compared to that signal and the electromagnetic properties of the metal determined to some % of a predicted value.
If you study patent 5,506,506 we find that the primary consideration is a time constant or rate of change of eddy current induction that is used to determine if a metal is ferrous or nonferrous. In addition nonferrous metal can be further classified such as gold, silver, copper and so forth. Also, the primary consideration for ferrous is the permeability of iron. Much of discussion assumes frequency and time domain.
Patent 5,537,041 is primarily concerned with the rectangular transmitted pulse and the receiver circuits to eliminate the soil minerals, demodulators to extract data at different frequencies, filter those signals and that is about as far as it goes. The discussion mostly time domain.
When we combine both patents and look at the entire explanation we find that the Explorer is properly classified as a time domain subgroup of a PI detector. The invention deploys both time domain and frequency domain so the the analysis depends on convenience and the extent depends on which patent we study.
The electrical properties of metals can be determined with no electrical connection to the metal other than the coupling or inductance that takes place between the electromagnetic field of the TX coil and RX coil taking into consideration the target. The primary method for the Explorer is the rate of change of eddy currents which is expressed as a time constant. That of itself implies time domain excepth for the extration of data at different frequencies for the same purpose then we have frequency domain. The eddy current rise and fall so their is a rate of change that has a time constant associated with iron and precious metals.
Because the time constant depends on the electricaland magnetic properties of the metal the time constant is not 100% accurate. Factors such as decay, oxidation, soil matrix, flux that induces eddy currents, wet or dry metal or soil, salts, size and shape of the target and other variables can give erroneous indications of the metal type. In short they produce a TC that is the same as one for another type of metal. That is why is is so hard to tell aluminum pieces of metal from silver as an example.
Time constants are stored in the circuits and a detected target
 
If I understand correctly, inductance (ferrous) is a value derived from the rate of signal decay of a given target.
Very interesting. If that is a fact, I would have less inhibitions about using IM, being an old coin hunter. At the low end of IM discrimination, it will primarily affect fast decay targets (foil, gold, etc..). From inference, it will have little effect on deeper low decay targets such as copper and silver. We can also infer that no amount of IM should be used when hunting for moderately deep gold.
Can you please elaborate more on how conductive readings are derived. I understand that in TD disc the rate of decay is sampled. But for conductive, what is sampled?
Thoughts on composite signal -
From you response, I gleen that you believe that the EX is both a pulse and a VLF detector in one. Hence, the 2 digital readings. I never thought of it that way. Very interesting.
Rgds, bing
 
The Explorer takes three samples of the receiver coil composite signals to generate long, medium and short time constants. A long and medium time constant are averaged and used for the horizontal axis which is ferrous/nonferrous. The medium and short time constants are averaged and used for the vertical axis which is conductivity. Minelab does a nice job of describing the transmission cycle and how the TC is generated in patent 5,506,506 but takes a page or two to lay it to rest. To a tech type it is neat how they do this but long and drawn out and dry to most others I would think.
I have often joked with friends that that the Explorer is actually an electromagnetic scanning time measuring device. The detector uses the oscilltor as a referece then measures the signal in the receiver and looks a the time rate of decay of signals induced metals. The FD comes into play since meatals will respond to different frequencies, iron or precious metals, in such a way that comparisons made to better ID the metal. This is contained in the sampling periods after the transmission pulse. The DFX uses Correlate and Best Data for this purpose or single frequency at 3khz and 15khz.
HH, Cody
 
Then snap, crackle and pop of external EMI generates a mess of time constants so will show up all over the spectrum of operation. This is why it is so important to noise cancel and keep the threshold stable. A deep target can be masked by external noise and then consider the null from rejected targets also masking targets. I guess that is why I like Iron Mask so much as I can set the mask to -16 for all metal and go to -15, -14 plus semi-auto sensitivity to settle the machine down as necessary. That to me is a difference between experience and skill with the detector. Some users can drive the machine right to the edge and have the skills to make it work for them. Others seem to think it is just a matter of how many hours we beat the bushes for coins with the machine. One can have a lot of experience but very little skill in using the Explorer. Some of users have little experience but great skill with the machine as we all know.
HH, Cody
 
hearing beeps! <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Seriously Cody, I am impressed!
I just got my 3rd Explorer [I have always given up and went back to my Sovereign so far]
I am interested in what most everyone else wants DEEP SILVER- Deeper than my Sovereign gets, would be nice!
I am having a terrible time figuring this complicated gadget out!!! <img src="/metal/html/cry.gif" border=0 width=40 height=15 alt=":cry">
 
I really like the Sovereign Elite and the quick way it responds to coins. I was really not expecting the meter to be as accurate as it is. They are a great detector. I like to trade off between detectors for no other reason than to use something different. That is the major reason I keep three different machines and the Explorer11 or the next generation of them will be one of them. I have come to really appreciate the quality of design, depth, and discrimination when needed.
HH, Cody
 
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